Allan, why then do you Scottish people speak Northern English, which you
have renamed Scots?
"allan connochie" <allan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> "Bob and Doris Jones" <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> hawker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> > Oh well, Bob comes from the antipodes, which is rather remote from
>> > North
>> > Britain.
>>
>> True, but I'm learning a lot from you two :-)
>>
>> > Anyway the Scots and the "Northern English" are North British, so
>> > Picts, Scots, Gwyddels, Romano-British, or whatever, we are all North
>> > British!
>>
>> I like this idea and probably closer to reality.
>
> Well it's hardly new! Simply a logical point. We're British and live
in
> the north after all. Virtually no Scot would consider his primary
identity
> as North British though. Also very few people, or it should be really
> hardly
> anyone in, for instance Scotland, defines themselves primarily as
Pictish,
> Romano British, Anglian, Dalriadan or whatever. In my experience that's
> mostly restricted to newsnet groups like this one. Virtually everyone
> defines themselves as Scottish though there are also strong local
> connections. Most people view themselves as being British also, at
least
> to
> some degree! Those that don't are basically making a political point.
> That
> is they don't recognise their nationality as British though if pressed
> they'll normally admit they are still British in the way a Swede is
> Scandinavian.
>
>>An idea with
>> possibilities for the future too.
>
> Probably an idea more rooted in the past than the future. The terms
North
> Britain and South Britain were coined in the 18thC to replace Scotland
and
> England. The idea never caught on in England as they were far too
> sensible
> for such nonsense. In Scotland it was restricted to a few lickspittles
on
> the make down in London and it died a death. In Scotland the dual
> identity
> is still there but the Scottish part of the identity is more prominent
> than
> it was in for instance the post war generation. The English have been
> slow
> of the mark but again the sense of Englishness is coming more to the
fore
> nowadays. For instance at an English football or rugby match you now
see
> English flags as opposed to Union Flags. 20 years ago the Union Flag
was
> dominant.
>
> Allan
>
>
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