"Bob and Doris Jones" <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> hawker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "allan connochie" <allan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>"Bob and Doris Jones" <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>>hawker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>... I am publi****ng it as I go along so there will be a need for
>>>>>constant updates.
>>>
>>>IMHO the huge percentage of red-haired people
>>>
>>>>in Brigantia is a direct genetic legacy of the Picts (the highest
>>>>percentage of anywhere in the world).
>>
>>
>>
>> Allan, whoever published this article was greatly mistaken. In fact
there
>> is an undeniable Gwyddelic contribution to the gene pool in Brigantia.
>> Gwyddel not in the sense of Irish, but in the sense of the pre-Beaker
>> people population of Neolythic farmers. The Gwyddels were almost as old
>> as the Picts and the Iberians, but they were neither Picts nor
>> Iberians.The so called "red haired" people is an old "red herring" that
>> goes back to the 18th. century antiquarians.It is just rubbish.There is
>> no evidence of a Pictish population outside Scotland.
>
> Were the Gwyddel reputed to be predominantly red-haired like the
> Caledonians (Picts) ? If this is so, ther may be a tie-up here.
The Gwyddel were what would now be called Arabs, there is still a
sprinkling
of light brown complexioned native people in Brigantia, Wales, and even
Ireland. Fletcher Christian, about whom you have no doubt heard, was so
dark
that he was described as being as brown as any Polonesian. The first
people
to inhabit the British Isles after the Ice Age were Iberians or Basques,
and
a Siberian tribe of Mongolides. These were followed by Arabs, and finally
6,000 years ago the white complexioned, blue-eyed, fair haired
Indo-Europeans turned up. These were the Beaker People. Later Celts,
Romans.
and Germans came. Then Danes, Norwegians, and French, and so on. A person
called Gobineau wrote a book in the 18th. century called THE INEQUALITY OF
THE RACES (L'INEGALITE DES RACES) in sup****t of the Ancien Regime by
claiming that the aristocrats were Germans (i.e. the English and others),
that Germans are a master of culture bearers, and that the French peasants
are subhuman Celts. The Southern English went mad as soon as this book was
published and ever since have considered themselves to be the master race
or
herren folk of superpersons or ubermenscen, and ever since then have done
their utmost to suppress the Celtic population of the British Isles.
>>
>>>Fairytale stuff. The various Pictish kingdoms were north of the
>>>Forth/Antonine/Clyde line. The land of the Brigantes was way to the
>>>south
>>>in northern England. Seperating them were the Brittonic tribes of the
>>>Southern Uplands and central Scotland, some of whom 'may' have been
more
>>>closely connected to the Brigantes in pre-Roman tribes. The later
>>>northern
>>>British kingdoms, especially in the west, certainly traversed what is
now
>>>the Scottish/English border, but these kingdoms were Brittonic units
and
>>>had
>>>nothing to do with any Pictish expansion. No such southerly expansion
>>>happened perhaps apart from in the Firth of Forth area. The attacks
>>>during
>>>the Barbarian Conspiracy by Scots and Picts in the area in question
were
>>>just massive raids and not conquests of territory. There was probably
>>>little, if any, significant genetic difference between the Brigantes
and
>>>Pictish peoples. The Picts only emerged from the northern British
tribes
>>>who remained outwith the Roman Empire. If however you are right and red
>>>haired people in the land of the Brigantes are descended from people
who
>>>lived in, what is now parts of Scotland, then it's much more likely
that
>>>they are a product of folk movement during the Industrial Revolution
and
>>>after.
>>>
>>>
>>>Allan
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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