Falcon wrote:
>
> Ciaran wrote:
>
>> Joe M. wrote:
>>> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/CornwallDuchy/
>>
>> A very worthy petition - as an Australian with a Kernewek (Cornish)
>> grandmother, I can't sign it myself since I am not a British citizen or
>> expatriate, but I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments as will a
>> huge number of my fellow Australians with some Cornish links.
>
> That's a weird start to the New Year. I don't think you (or the
petitioner,
> for that matter) understand the proposition. The Duchy of Cornwall, a
> private estate which funds the public, charitable and private activities
of
> The Prince of Wales and his family, owns land in 22 counties and only
part
> of the estate is actually in Cornwall. It was created by Edward III to
> provide his son and future Princes of Wales with an income from its
assets.
> http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/index.htm
>
Note the use of Kernewek (Cornish language) on part of the website you
have posted. You need to read more to get an informed opinion, for
example, the Wikipedia entry as follows which outlines the legal
argument for the independence of Kernow (Cornwall) from England which
lies in the unrevoked veto power of the Stannery Parliament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Cornwall
Duchy of Cornwall dispute
For Cornish people (see the constitutional status of Cornwall) and
Cornwall (territorial duchy), the Duchy, as argued by the Officers of
the Duchy of Cornwall in 1855 in its dispute with the Crown over the
owner****p of the Cornish Foreshore, has quite a different significance
[1], based on the original Acts and Charters of its creation. Cornwall
itself in this framework is described, de jure, as a Duchy (as opposed
to an ordinary county), and the Duchy estates are distinguished from the
Duchy itself, having themselves been annexed and united to "the
aforesaid Duchy". The Duke of Cornwall may even be described as
Cornwall's head of state. For example, the Duke traditionally had a
ceremonial role in summoning the Cornish Stannary Parliament.
It should be noted, however, that the administrative machinery of
Cornwall almost invariably refers to itself as a county (including, for
example, Cornwall County Council itself) in the English language.
Although it can be argued that the administrative county and Duchy in
this sense are separate, co-existing entities, this should be considered
within the context of the Honour (Kingdom/Dukedom) within which exists
the necessary infrastructure for administration and taxation
(county/****re). The administrative county of Cornwall, therefore, being
within the Duchy of Cornwall. The reason why the Royal Commission on the
Constitution (Kilbrandon 1973) recommended that Cornwall be officially
referred to as 'the Duchy' to recognise expressed concerns over its
territorial integrity.
Discrepancies in the Great Charter translations
The English translation of the 17th March 1337 Great Charter (or in
Latin "Magna Carta"), as deployed in Rowe v Brenton (Manning edition
1830) states that the King's son is "Duke of Cornwall and heir to the
Kingdom of England".
A revised Government translation states that the King's son is "Duke of
Cornwall in the Kingdom of England" (Halsbury's Laws 1973).
The Charter Roll of 16th March 1337 announcing the Great Charter said
that inspiration was drawn from the time when Cornwall was recognised as
being a separate Kingdom, and that the intention was to "restore
Cornwall’s original ancient honours".
Today the Duchy states that the "main purpose of the Charter is to
create an income for the Duke".
In 1857 the Duchy stated that the three Charters confirm and acknowledge
Cornwall as being co-terminus with the Duchy, which is extra-territorial
to England and subject to its own chief ruler, law making apparatus and
tax raising regime.
Today the Duchy states that "it is merely a collection of private
estates."
Halsbury's Laws refer only to the 17th March 1337 Great Charter. Two
subsequent Charters of 18th March 1337 and 3rd Jan 1338 confirming that
Cornwall was for all time to be subject to its own law-making regime,
and not subject to England’s Summons of Exchequer are not referenced.
Today there is a Parliamentary injunction preventing MP’s from raising
questions about, or even attempting to discuss, these matters. In 1997
the Liberal Democrat Andrew George MP attempted to raise a Duchy-related
question but he was prevented by an injunction that disallows MPs
raising any questions in Parliament that are in any way related to the
Duchy.
In 2006 the case for Cornwall, in respect of alleged violations of the
European Convention of Human Rights, Articles 6, (independent and
impartial courts); 8, (respect family life); 10, (freedom of
expression); 13, (violations by officials); 14 with Protocol 12,
(discrimination on the grounds of association with a national minority,
property, birth or other status); 17, (the official destruction of
rights); Protocol 1 Article 1, (property rights) with 385 sup****ting
do***ents, was submitted by members of the Cornish Stannary Parliament
to the European Court of Human Rights. On the 13th April 2006 the Court
stated that it: "will deal with the case as soon as practicable".
Regarding the other lands in the estate east of the Tamar River, these
were annexed illegally by the Saxons from the Celtic kingdom of Dumnonia:
http://www.kessler-web.co.uk/History/KingListsBritain/BritainDumnonia.htm
DUMNONIA
This large and well-founded kingdom took in all of Cornwall (Cornubia),
Devon (Dyfneint), and much of Somerset. Its original capital would have
been Isca (Exeter). Archaeology confirms that this site was abandoned in
the 5th century, and, given the advances of the West Saxons, the capital
would continually have been relocated to the west. The main ****tion of
Dumnonia in modern Devon (the Defnas, or "deep valley dweller" Britons)
fell to Wes*** between 650-670, while the Cornish remnant was still
fully independent until Introduction to Celtic Devon825-829.
Although under Roman control until the late 4th century, the Celtic
tribe of the Dumnonii probably exercised a certain amount of
self-government in their own lands (and may have been self-governed
during Roman rule. See the Ancient Dumnonia page on the Dewnans Celtic
Devon web site for an intriguing viewpoint on this). They most probably
re-established their kingdom as a power in its own right by the time of
Magnus Maximus, as the latter prepared Britain's defences prior to
establi****ng his own claim for control of the Southern Britain's Lost
KingdomsRoman Empire in AD 383, and Dumnonia was fully independent by 410.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumnonia
Dumnonia
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Contents
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* 1 Name
* 2 Character
* 3 Christianity
* 4 Kings of Dumnonia
* 5 Arthurian connection
* 6 Territorial reduction
* 7 References
* 8 See also
* 9 External links
Dumnonia was a Brythonic kingdom of sub-Roman Britain, located in the
south-west peninsula of modern England and covering Cornwall, Devon,
most of Somerset and possibly part of Dorset, its eastern boundary being
uncertain.
[edit] Name
The kingdom is named for the Dumnonii, a Celtic tribe who lived in the
same area long before the Romans arrived in Britain. It is unclear
whether it was a single united kingdom or simply a series of
sub-kingdoms. Certainly Cornwall appears to have been at least
semi-independent at times, possibly because it was based on the
territory of a sub-tribe, the Cornavii.
Dumnonia is the Latin form of the name. Variants include Damnonia and
Domnonia. It was known to the English of neighbouring Wes*** as the
kingdom of the West Welsh. In Welsh, and similarly in the native
Brythonic language, it was Dyfneint and this is the form which survives
today in the name of the county of Devon.
[edit] Character
Dumnonia is noteworthy for its many settlements which have survived from
Romano-British times. As in other Brythonic areas, Iron Age hillforts,
such as Cadbury Castle, were refortified for the use of lords or kings.
Other high-status settlements like Tintagel were built a-new. Post-Roman
im****ted pottery has been excavated from many sites across the region.
The people of Dumnonia would have spoken a Brythonic dialect ancestral
to modern Cornish. This was spoken east of the Tamar well into the 19th
century. Irish immigrants are also in evidence from the Ogham inscribed
stones they have left behind.
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