Re: Breton, Cornish & French

"Chess One" <OneChess@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Chess One wrote:
>>> "Bob Jones" <bobj@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>
>>>> From "The Story of the Cornish Language" by Peter Berresford Ellis
>>>> (Tor Mark Press, Redruth):
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>>> Ere! That's where I was born, ansome, in Reys Druith.
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>> Although "Redruth" is "rid" ('ford') + "ruth" ('red').
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> Could be! Although Red could be Reys, and Druth be Druid. Probably the 
> answer lies up there on Carn Brea, itself the head of a giant [saetan]
no? 
> Naturally the stuff that pours out at the coast at Nancekuke is red, and

> that is about directly downriver, and would be tin deposit. For all 
> practical evidence you may have it. If so, this word RID is incor****ated

> into A. Sax, which also spells it RED, with some several meanings of to 
> get rid of, and flush away.
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> It is interesting to also note the name of Stratford; is the 'Strat' A. 
> Sax or Latinate?
>
> in A. Sax it means muddy ~ muddy crossing
> and in Latin [f. Strata] a paved or metalled road
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> then there is the ford business, which is from Fford, and Welsh for
river 
> or stream crossing.
>
> Then this Ellis fellow, a good Cornish name. 'Eels"? [Chaucer] who also 
> used Elle with the same meaning. Lest it is A. Sax by origin or 
> incor****ation;-
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> ELLES: Else; otherwise
>
>   Yet I have a morsel for thy toth,
>    And ellis I were to blame.
>
>        //MS Cantab Ff. v. 48, f. 50.
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> Stems with El~ and Ell also refer to Alder and Elm trees, as well to the

> semitic name of god.
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> The question with all references is which is true? And what was 
> universally so? And to what level of certainty is it? Assertion of what
is 
> true with aught else being perhaps a sign that none of those questions
can 
> be answered, and which perhaps describes the range of inquiry of those
who 
> assert them.
>
> And some answer, or contra-proposal, is proposed by John Fowles, who had
a 
> Cornish mother, who preferred to name this language Anglo Celtic, rather

> than Anglo Saxon. It is a very difficult cusp to investigate, it being
the 
> very mark of early written records overlapping with oral tradtion.
>
> The thing about Cornwall being that is was highly resistant to Anglo 
> Saxon, whereas, was A. Sax resistant to its p-Celtic language neighbours
- 
> seemingly not, and unless some exception can be established why not,
which 
> would itself be unusual in the world, then the language we know speak 
> seems to be a very permeable once, admitting many, so to speak.
>
>
> Phil Innes / Ynys
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>
>> -- 
>> John Briggs

They call themselves Anglo-Saxons in order to distinguish themselves from 
the Continental Saxons in Germany.
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