Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Apr 4, 4:42 pm, PL <pl.nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> [snipping ****tions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>> What Dan Christensen said in an e-group about people with "local
>> knowledge" and how he kknows his lies can never "convince" them.
>>
>> He admitted I had local knowledge while admitting that he could never
>> convince people with local knowledge of your lies.
>> A quote from cubasi message #1324 from September 7 1999 by Dan
Christensen
>> in his appeal to other to flood SCC and sup****t him:
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> "There are about twelve regulars...... Most have a lot of personal
>> experience in Cuba. Forget about convincing them. Your real audience
is the
>> people staying timidly in the background"
>
> [snip]
>
> Forget about convincing them because, despite their supposed "local
> knowledge" (which turned out to be a sham, as we see here)(snip)
that is not even remotely similar to what you posted there comrade Dan.
Again the correct quote:
A quote from cubasi message #1324 from September 7 1999 by Dan Christensen
in his appeal to other to flood SCC and sup****t him:
Quote:
"There are about twelve regulars...... Most have a lot of personal
experience in Cuba. Forget about convincing them. Your real audience is
the
people staying timidly in the background"
and that is what you are trying to do here comrade Dan: to mislead those
in
the background that don't have the "personal experience" in Cuba.
unquote
you are such a joke Dan.
>>>>> Again, as YOUR OWN source will confirm, the rationing system is not
>>>>> the only source of food.
>>>> (snip)
>>>> and as all sources have confirmed: the Cubans sufficient means to
>>>> purchase their primary needs using ALL available sources in Cuba.
>>>> The WFPP has been helping 773,000 people for over 5 years now.
>>> [snip]
>>> Remember, we are STILL waiting for your proof t(snip)
>
> What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons:
>
(snip)
as it is clear that the WFP only steps in when there is a real need.
The WFP has been im****ting hundreds of thousands of tons of basic
foodstuffs (beans, rice, cooking oil ...) to help 773,000 people in
Oriente (5 Eastern provinces with a population of 3.9 million).
That means 1 in 5 needed WFP food aid.
>> the WFP doesn't act unless it is needed.
>>
>
> OK, but thanks for confirming that you STILL have no proof that WFP to
> Cuba has ever amounted to any more t(snip)
it amounts to hundred of thousands of tons of basic foodstuffs and
programs continues
> Again, you would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion
> here some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying
> exploits, the schmoozing, the golf games,
(snip)
That is your exposed lie comrade Dan
> the schmoozing, the golf games,
Post any quote of mine where I refer to playing golf comrade Dan.
We both know you can't.
Another slanderous lie of Dan Christensen exposed
> the posh singles resorts,
Post any quote of mine where I refer to being at "singles resorts"
comrade Dan.
We both know you can't.
Another slanderous lie of Dan Christensen exposed
> etc. Too bad! It is now a matter of public record. In addition to your
> own words here, we have your prodigious production stats here and at
> other forums.
>
> While he denies being paid for his services, his denials somehow ring
> hollow. See, for example, his own words at:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en
>
> Here, he writes:
(snip)
"Get your brain out of the gutter and drop the unsubstaiable innuendo.
In short : you are a lying fraud."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en
In reply to the slander of your pal Lulo.
Of course Dan didn't give that part of the quote.
He also doesn't give the link to the thread as a whole where his lies
are exposed:
The link to the context that shows that Dan is lying:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/5fb621a1396ecc6c/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?hl=en%E0%A8%AAf5eb5bd1c2ed
Again that over and over exposed lie from Canadian Stalinist Dan
Christensen.
You fell flat on your face once before when you claimed I had been
"lobbying" people In Geneva while your pal "cuba libre" that stalked me
then showed from an IP that I was in Santiago de Cuba at the time.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
A real loser you are.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous campaign:
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I blew
his "cover". In SCC he tried to ****tray himself as an "independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question in
a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show his
lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those with
"local knowledge".
In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often forgot to keep up the
presence and made him show his hand and true nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
..............................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the cir***stances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that the
false claims he made about others (sup****t of genocide, torture, abuses,
..............)in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, sup****t an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en
HIS own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: I had pages removed (for
violations of law, slander, ...), have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies, remove
lying caption from pictures, ...)and have in general exposed the lies on
it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its sup****t for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "re****t": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
en of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were to
defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers democracy"
under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the re****ts from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was being
censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that those
that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care about a
third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably to make
himself feel that he is "im****tant" and to explain away his complete
propaganda failure (****traying himself as "overcome by unsurmountable
institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove after
a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he had posted
there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the target
of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine)and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats in
France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net )and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" went to jail for 6 months for a whole series of
abuses. A Spanish "subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise
coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to:
those that don't have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the
liars they are. When that happens all they have left are the old slander
tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the hope that
they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly he
would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on) are
reduced to that they expose" their own failure.
Fine by me.
PL
"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is why
it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla, Spain
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