On Apr 30, 5:18 am, PL <pl.nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
[snipping ****tions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother to bother with]
> >>> You will have to forgive our fascist friend here,
> >> You are the only one with "fascist" attitudes comrade Dan.
>
> >> (snip)
>
> > What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons:
>
> (snip)
>
What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons... AGAIN:
Again, the crimes of PL's political masters make any allegations
against Cuba, even taken at face value, look like the proverbial
Sunday school picnic. For example, Amnesty International (and others)
have do***ented the murder and torture of opponents of the Bush regime
in its vast network of secret dungeons around the world.
> as it is a pack of lies.
>
Ah, NOW we are getting somewhere!
So, Amnesty International re****ts of the murder and torture of
opponents of the Bush regime, is "A PACK OF LIES" -- according to our
fascist friend here. Like most Nazis, it seems our Mr. Lobbyist is in
denial. Again, it is easy to imagine the reign of terror he would
unleash on the Cuban people if he ever had the chance again!
> > Any> allegations of "torture" in Cuba seem to be nothing more than
the
> > usual scuffles between prison staff and unruly prisoners
>
> (snip)
>
> a lie exposed here:
> Human Rights Watch Re****ts:
>
> The conditions in Cuba's prisons are inhuman, and political prisoners
> suffer additional degrading treatment and
torture.http://hrw.org/doc/?t=3D=
americas_pub&do***ent_limit=3D100,20
>
> The punitive and intimidatory measures against political prisoners that
> caused severe pain and suffering violated Cuba's obligations under the
> Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading
> Treatment or Punishment, which it ratified in 1995. Once again, in the
> past year the
> government forbade access to its prisons by international human rights
> monitors and humanitarian groups, including the International Committee
> of the Red Cross (ICRC).http://www.hrw.org/worldre****t/Americas-03.htm
>
Nothing specific here. And certainly nothing to compare to the crimes
of your political masters. Ooops, I forgot ... that was all "A PACK OF
LIES," right, Mr. Lobbyist?
> Torture
> This re****t shows that Cuba's treatment of political prisoners in some
> cases rises to the level of torture, violating Cuba's obligations under
> the Convention against Torture and under the Universal Declaration.7 The
> convention bars torture and "acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading
> treatment or punishment" and the Universal Declaration states that "no
> one shall be subjected to torture." 8 Cuba's imposition of prolonged
> periods of incommunicado pretrial and post-conviction detention,
> beatings, and
> prosecutions of previously-tried political prisoners-where those
> practices result in severe physical or psychological pain
> orsuffering-constitute torture under the convention.
Again, nothing specific. If you are going to mess with prison guards
in any country, it won't be a pleasant experience.
9 Cuba also has
> failed to comply with its obligations under the convention to "take
> effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to
> prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction" and to
> "ensure that all acts of torture are offenses under its criminal
law."10ht=
tp://www.hrw.org/re****ts/1999/cuba/Cuba996-02.htm
>
> Detention Conditions
> Cuba confines its sizable prison population in substandard and unhealthy
> conditions, where prisoners face isolation and physical and ***ual
abuse.
Substandard and unhealthy as compared to what? The high standards of
prisons in Mexico, Guatemala or Honduras? Or any number of other US
allies in Latin America and around the world? Get real!
> Prison guards also commit abuses against prisoners that rise to the
> level of torture.
You mean like in the USA?
> Cuba's practices fail to comply with numerous
> provisions of the Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners,
> including the rules governing food, health care, internal prison
> security, punitive measures, and prison work programs.
[snip more of the same]
Nothing comparable to the systematic torture now routinely practiced
by the Bush regime in its vast network of dungeons around the word.
(Yes, I know, Mr. Lobbyist, that was all just "A PACK OF LIES!")
> Journalist suspended by his hair by prison guards.
>
> Frankfurt/M. - 27 May 2004. In protest against the continuing torture of
> the journalist Normando Hernandez Gonzalez, whose tortures included
> being suspended by his hair by prison guards, three fellow prisoners and
> Her=E1ndez himself went on a hunger strike. The prisoners are members of
> the organisation "Christian Liberation Movement". Her=E1ndez has been
> imprisoned in "Kilo 51/2" in Pinar del Rio since September 2003. Since
> he went on a hunger strike in autumn 2003 to protest against the
> inhumane prison conditions, Her=E1ndez has become victim of continuous
> violent attacks.
>
> Source:http://www.ishr.org/press/pr2004/may04/040527cuba.htm
>
[snip more of the same]
Oddly, no such accounts can be found from more mainstream groups like
AI, not even HRW.
We know that the US regime has a long history of actively fabricating
all manner of lies and disinformation about Cuba. Here is what HRW, as
long ago as 1989, had to say about the exaggerated claims of your
political masters in Miami and Wa****ngton:
"...[T]he Commission's initial decision to review human rights in Cuba
was due in large part to exaggerated U.S. charges of ongoing political
executions, disappearances and torture... [T]he U.N. delegation to
Cuba found no evidence to sup****t those allegations."
http://www.hrw.org/re****ts/1989/WR89/Cuba.htm
Also, to give just one specific example of the machinations of the US
propaganda machine, Noam Chomsky, in his book, Media Control, (see
excerpt at
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html=
) writes about one of the most famous Cuban "dissident" exiles and US
media darlings, Armando Valladares and his equally famous prison
"memoirs." One of Batista's former henchman convicted of placing bombs
in a public place, he was ****trayed by media and human rights groups
as some kind of romantic figure -- a prison poet -- confined to a
wheelchair as a result of abuse suffered in prison. He was
miraculously "cured" the day of his release from prison, and soon
afterwards, was appointed by Ronald Reagan as US representative to
the UN Human Rights Commission. There he quickly distinguished himself
as an apologist for human rights violations on a massive scale
perpetrated by US-backed regimes in Guatemala and El Salvador.
> Amnesty International believes that the unilateral US embargo against
> Cuba contributes to the undermining of key civil and political rights in
> the country.
>
> On these grounds, Amnesty International calls for its immediate lifting.
Thanks for confirming AI's condemnation of your beloved embargo --
cruel sanctions that inflict collective punishment on an ENTIRE nation
-- and their call for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these
sanctions. (See featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of
genocide?" at my website.)
> The organisation also calls on the Cuban government to stop using the
> embargo as a pretext to violate the human rights of the Cuban people.
>
[snip]
AI does some good work, but just can't seem to be able to connect the
dots in Cuba's case. It is the very real threat posed by the US, as
demonstrated by your beloved genocidal embargo, and various deliberate
acts of subversion, that make these extraordinary measures necessary.
No progressive government in Latin America that has let US agents
operate with impunity within its borders has lasted more than a few
months. (See Philip Agee's best-selling "Inside the Company.") It has
only been by extreme vigilance at all levels that the Cuban Revolution
has survived for nearly half a century and gone on to become a beacon
of hope for oppressed people everywhere.
> > BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to even comment on -- never mind
> > condemn -- these crimes of your political masters (see above). Given
> > this tacit sup****t of murder and torture, and your boundless
> > enthusiasm for genocidal trade sanctions (snip)
>
> again Dan Christensen reverts to his standard list of unsubstantiated
> lies and insults.
You mean like AI's "pack of lies" (your words) above? Get real, Mr.
Lobbyist!
> Note that Serial Liar Dan Christensen can't produce even one quote that
> sup****ts his lies.
>
> Unlike Dan I have always "vocally" condemned human rights abuses,
> torture, murder, ... anywhere.
[snip]
Apparently NOT if they advance the interests of your political masters
in Miami and Wa****ngton, eh, Mr. Lobbyist? Heck, you have been
actively promoting genocidal sanctions against the Cuban people for
perhaps a decade or more -- in all likelihood as a paid lobbyist, if
we are to believe your indiscrete boasts of some years ago.
> >> What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
>
> > No misquote, (snip)
>
> Yes a misquote. AI never asked for an immediate and unconditional end to
> the trade sanctions.
[snip]
Do you even read your own postings, idiot??? As you yourself posted
above, "On these grounds, Amnesty International calls for its
immediate lifting." Your bosses won't be too pleased about this latest
little slip up! (Hee, hee!)
Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at
http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/Cuba=
FAQ.html
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