On May 1, 3:20=A0am, PL <pl.nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
[snipping ****tions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother to bother with]
> > Ah, NOW we are getting somewhere!
>
> > So, Amnesty International re****ts (snip)
>
> I am not referring to Amnesty. I am referring to your lies about me.
>
I was referring to re****ts from AI. And you said it was "a pack of
lies.
What PL snipped in his despair:
"Again, the crimes of PL's political masters make any allegations
against Cuba, even taken at face value, look like the proverbial
Sunday school picnic. For example, Amnesty International (and others)
have do***ented the murder and torture of opponents of the Bush regime
in its vast network of secret dungeons around the world."
You said this was "a pack of lies." Do you now mean to say these
re****ts from AI are NOT actually "a pack of lies," and that they are
truthful? Or are you still in denial?
> >> =A0> Any> allegations of "torture" in Cuba seem to be nothing more
than=
the
> >>> usual scuffles between prison staff and unruly prisoners
> >> (snip)
>
> >> a lie exposed here:
> >> Human Rights Watch Re****ts:
>
> >> The conditions in Cuba's prisons are inhuman, and political prisoners
> >> suffer additional degrading treatment and
torture.http://hrw.org/doc/?t=
=3Damericas_pub&do***ent_limit=3D100,20
>
> >> The punitive and intimidatory measures against political prisoners
that=
> >> caused severe pain and suffering violated Cuba's obligations under
the
> >> Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading
> >> Treatment or Punishment, which it ratified in 1995. Once again, in
the
> >> past year the
> >> government forbade access to its prisons by international human
rights
> >> monitors and humanitarian groups, including the International
Committee=
> >> of the Red Cross
(ICRC).http://www.hrw.org/worldre****t/Americas-03.htm
>
> > Nothing specific here. (snip)
>
> just causing severe pain you mean?
>
Nothing to distinguish this from the usual scuffles between guards and
unruly prisoners that happen everywhere.
> >> Torture
> >> This re****t shows that Cuba's treatment of political prisoners in
some
> >> cases rises to the level of torture, violating Cuba's obligations
under=
> >> the Convention against Torture and under the Universal Declaration.7
Th=
e
> >> convention bars torture and "acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading
> >> treatment or punishment" and the Universal Declaration states that
"no
> >> one shall be subjected to torture." 8 Cuba's imposition of prolonged
> >> periods of incommunicado pretrial and post-conviction detention,
> >> beatings, and
> >> prosecutions of previously-tried political prisoners-where those
> >> practices result in severe physical or psychological pain
> >> orsuffering-constitute torture under the convention.
>
> > Again, nothing specific
>
> Just "general torture" and abuse you mean like beatings, isolation, ...
>
[snip]
Nothing to distinguish this from the usual scuffles with unruly
prisoners that happen everywhere. Even here in Canada, they have
punishment cells -- solitary confinement in cells not much bigger than
a closet (about 1m x 2m). Some prisoners are kept in such cells for
life. (There was a recent account my my local newspaper.) In the case
of your political masters, however, we are talking about systematic
torture.
> > Oddly, no such accounts can be found from more mainstream groups like
> > AI, not even HRW.
>
> >(snip)
>
> yes they can.
> Snipping them doesn't change that fact.
> Note that the ISHR is a mainstream group.http://www.ishr.org/
>
[snip]
Never heard of them. And why won't Amnesty International re****t these
findings, not even as allegations or unconfirmed re****ts? AI isn't
perfect, but they do seem to have some standards of fact checking. The
closest they get in their recent re****ts on the is the "torture" of
being shouted at by angry crowds! Like I said, a Sunday school picnic
compared to the crimes of your political masters.
> >> Amnesty International believes that the unilateral US embargo against
> >> Cuba contributes to the undermining of key civil and political rights
i=
n
> >> the country.
>
> >> On these grounds, Amnesty International calls for its immediate
lifting=
..
>
> > Thanks for confirming AI's condemnation (snip)
>
> they condemn the torture you sup****t Dan.
>
[snip]
Very evasive, Mr. Lobbyist. But thanks for finally acknowleging that
AI has condemned your beloved embargo and called for its immediate and
unconditional lifting.
> >> Yes a misquote. AI never asked for an immediate and unconditional end
t=
o
> >> the trade sanctions.
>
> > [snip]
>
> > Do you even read your own postings, idiot???
>
> (snip)
>
> Yes.
> Nowhere it asked for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the trade
> sanctions as you falsely claimed, Dan. The quote above is clear.
Indeed. Here it is again (your posting):
"Amnesty International believes that the unilateral US embargo against
Cuba contributes to the undermining of key civil and political rights
in the country.
"On these grounds, Amnesty International calls for its immediate
lifting."
Notwithstanding your hysterical screams of denial, Mr. Lobbyist, this
sure sounds like "immedidate and unconditional" to me. Just what
"conditions" do you suppose they are settng here before these cruel
sanctions of yours should be lifted? You can't answer that, can you?
What a loser!
Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at
http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/Cuba=
FAQ.html
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