On May 1, 6:22=A0pm, Dan Christensen <dch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 1, 3:20=A0am, PL <pl.nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> [snipping ****tions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother to bother with]
>
> > > Ah, NOW we are getting somewhere!
>
> > > So, Amnesty International re****ts (snip)
>
> > I am not referring to Amnesty. I am referring to your lies about me.
>
> I was referring to re****ts from AI. And you said it was "a pack of
> lies.
>
> What PL snipped in his despair:
>
> "Again, the crimes of PL's political masters make any allegations
> against Cuba, even taken at face value, look like the proverbial
> Sunday school picnic. For example, Amnesty International (and others)
> have do***ented the murder and torture of opponents of the Bush regime
> in its vast network of secret dungeons around the world."
>
> You said this was "a pack of lies." Do you now mean to say these
> re****ts from AI are NOT actually "a pack of lies," and that they are
> truthful? Or are you still in denial?
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> =A0> Any> allegations of "torture" in Cuba seem to be nothing more
th=
an the
> > >>> usual scuffles between prison staff and unruly prisoners
> > >> (snip)
>
> > >> a lie exposed here:
> > >> Human Rights Watch Re****ts:
>
> > >> The conditions in Cuba's prisons are inhuman, and political
prisoners=
> > >> suffer additional degrading treatment and
torture.http://hrw.org/doc/=
?t=3Damericas_pub&do***ent_limit=3D100,20
>
> > >> The punitive and intimidatory measures against political prisoners
th=
at
> > >> caused severe pain and suffering violated Cuba's obligations under
th=
e
> > >> Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading
> > >> Treatment or Punishment, which it ratified in 1995. Once again, in
th=
e
> > >> past year the
> > >> government forbade access to its prisons by international human
right=
s
> > >> monitors and humanitarian groups, including the International
Committ=
ee
> > >> of the Red Cross
(ICRC).http://www.hrw.org/worldre****t/Americas-03.ht=
m
>
> > > Nothing specific here. (snip)
>
> > just causing severe pain you mean?
>
> Nothing to distinguish this from the usual scuffles between guards and
> unruly prisoners that happen everywhere.
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> Torture
> > >> This re****t shows that Cuba's treatment of political prisoners in
som=
e
> > >> cases rises to the level of torture, violating Cuba's obligations
und=
er
> > >> the Convention against Torture and under the Universal
Declaration.7 =
The
> > >> convention bars torture and "acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading
> > >> treatment or punishment" and the Universal Declaration states that
"n=
o
> > >> one shall be subjected to torture." 8 Cuba's imposition of
prolonged
> > >> periods of incommunicado pretrial and post-conviction detention,
> > >> beatings, and
> > >> prosecutions of previously-tried political prisoners-where those
> > >> practices result in severe physical or psychological pain
> > >> orsuffering-constitute torture under the convention.
>
> > > Again, nothing specific
>
> > Just "general torture" and abuse you mean like beatings, isolation,
...
>
> [snip]
>
> Nothing to distinguish this from the usual scuffles with unruly
> prisoners that happen everywhere. Even here in Canada, they have
> punishment cells -- solitary confinement in cells not much bigger than
> a closet (about 1m x 2m). Some prisoners are kept in such cells for
> life. (There was a recent account my my local newspaper.)
A bit larger perhaps, but not much.
"The tiny, walk-in closet about three paces long... about the width of
an arm span."
http://www.thestar.com/article/418566
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