Pipilenca Guanaco wrote:
> PL :
>
> También en eso difiero: si el arroz quebrado es más barato
para el pueblo siempre compran lo mas barato en Cuba.
>(y con igual
> valor alimenticio), la apreciación subjetiva de ser el peor, es falsa.
>
>> Y los Cubanos tienen lo peor de lo peor: el arroz "quebrado".
>>
>>> La utilización del suelo cubano,(snip)
>>
>> "Officials estimate that 51 percent of arable land in Cuba was
>> underused or fallow because of government mismanagement."
>
> En Cuba hay tierras de reserva.
"tierras de reserva" en un país cual tiene que im****tar entre 84 y 90%
de su alimentación básica?
Tiene que ser el resultado de planificaron tonta comunista.
pero ambos sabemos que no son "tierras de reserva". Sabemos que es mala
gestión del gobierno Cubano durante años y especialmente desde la fin de
muchas producción de azúcar.
> Y eso es bueno.
MDR.
Es criminal no usar tierras para sembrar o producir de manera
improductiva cuando el pueblo tiene hambre y depende de im****taciones.
Que tonto te pareces, no?
Que tontería lo que dijiste:
"Hablar de racionamiento de productos alimenticios, es cosa que los
propagandistas tradicionales han querido vincular al modo de producción
comunista, como para acentuar su fracaso productivo (no les im****ta la
justicia en el reparto de los bienes)."
Todo muestra la ineptitud del régimen comunista y su falta criminal en
su obligación a alimentar el pueblo Cubano.
Pero gracias a Dios Raul es menos tonto que tu:
Communist Cuban solution: private farms
Posted on Sat, Apr. 05, 2008
Associated Press Writers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/37306
Cuba ****fts control of agriculture from Havana to municipalities
Ray Sanchez | Direct from Havana
7:15 AM EDT, May 2, 2008
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/cuba/sfl-0502havanadaily,0,7244872.column
"He [Raul]admits that food shortages and low wages mean Cubans often
struggle to get by.
Cuban government statistics show that approximately 60 percent of farms
are state-run, but nearly 80 percent of Cuban-produced food comes from
private growers.
Paolo Spadoni from Florida's Rollins College said Raul Castro has
pledged to attract foreign investment and implement "structural and
conceptual changes" to fix the problem.
"Raul Castro will probably introduce some limited and gradual market
reforms...so I do see some changes, but I don't see a complete and
sudden change of the system," he said.
While showing a willingness to consider economic reform, Raul Castro has
a reputation as a political hardliner."
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/other/view/293404/1/.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/33072
"Raul Castro has made agriculture a top priority, stressing the need to
produce more food in a country that relies on im****ts to feed its 11
million people, even from the United States, its ideological foe since
Cuba's 1959 revolution.
The younger Castro has doubled and tripled what the state pays for
cattle, milk and other farm products, and cut red-tape that often left
farmers unpaid and crops to rot.
In a key speech on July 26 in the central agricultural province of
Camaguey, Raul Castro called for "structural and conceptual changes" in
the state-dominated agricultural sector to reverse a decline in output
and reduce prices.
"We face the imperative of making our land produce more, and the land is
there to be tilled ... we must offer these producers adequate incentives
for the work they carry out in Cuba's suffocating heat," he said.
Raul's aides are hard at work on a plan with a year-end deadline,
Communist party sources re****t."
http://www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/idUSN0443054520070919
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/33650
Also see:
"Cuba's food im****ts grew 35 percent over the past two years,
according to government re****ts from last December. These figures, along
with the rise in prices on the international market, prompted acting
President Raúl Castro to warn that it is essential to boost agricultural
production.
Torres works his 17-hectare farm mainly with natural methods, using
organic fertilisers and pesticides, and oxen to plow.
"This season I used around 26 tons of earthworm humus on my fields and I
sold the rest to other farmers in the area," he told IPS in a telephone
interview.
His crops include vegetables, rice, coconuts and guava fruit. He belongs
to the local Credit and Services Cooperatives (CCS), sells most of his
products to the state, and defends ecological farming practices because
"they improve and enrich the soil."
Torres said it is im****tant to fertilise land with organic matter,
especially since most private farmers in Cuba today have small farms of
less than two hectares, which are overworked.
"Besides, the lack of inputs (like chemical fertilisers) has helped
convince more people about the advantages of agroecology," he commented.
The degradation of soil is one of the environmental challenges faced by
Cuba in terms of making agriculture sustainable. Experts blame the
situation on Cuba's sugarcane monoculture model, which has marked the
economy of this Caribbean island nation since the 18th century.
"The wealth of our soils and a large part of our biodiversity have left
Cuba along with each grain of sugar that we ex****t to, among other
things, buy food," complained agricultural engineer María Caridad Cruz
in an article published in the Cuban magazine Temas.
"It has gradually disappeared with all of the vegetation we have cut
down and with the agricultural techniques we have used," she added.
According to the agronomist, around 75 percent of Cuba's farmland is
degraded to some degree, and there are three million hectares with low
fertility and 4.6 million with extremely low content of organic matter,
while salinity affects one million hectares and medium to severe erosion
affects 2.5 million hectares.
At the same time, given its high level of dependence on im****ts of
agricultural inputs, the farming industry is among the sectors hit
hardest by the financial restrictions adopted by the socialist
government during the economic crisis that broke out in the early 1990s,
euphemistically referred to as the "special period" which, as Raúl
Castro clarified on Jul. 26, has not yet come to an end.
Between 1989 and 1993, Cuba's gross domestic product shrank 35 percent,
while value-added agriculture declined by 52 percent, basically due to
the abrupt cut-off of supplies from what had been the country's main
sources, the Soviet Union and the East European socialist bloc, said Cruz.
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38834
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/32995
>>> Te sugeriría apoyarte en datos de organismos internacionales serios.
>> (snip)
>>
>> Ningún problema y con tu ayuda:
>>
>> Arroz productividad: (2000)
>>
>> Cuba: 27,778
>> República Dominicana: 40,762
>
> Vaya. Lo que es la vida. No ves la tendencia
veo la tendencia: la republicanas Dominicana es siempre mejor.
Los EE.UU hasta mucho mas: la productividad en Cuba comunista es
solamente 30% de la productividad de los EE.UU capitalista.
"This past year, Cuba's average field yield for rice was less than 30
percent of the U.S. average."
http://southwestfarmpress.com/mag/farming_cuban_rice_im****ts
y te quedas clavado en lo
> que posiblemente sea un error del sujeto que alimentó los datos (snip)
es bueno de ver tu desesperacion.
(snip)
>
>
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=3&iso3=DOM
>
>
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=3&iso3=CUB
>
>
> Debe ser un error.
Pobrecito.
Cuando no te gustan los datos y cuando te desmientan tu propaganda
"tienen que ser" erróneas.
> Un consumo de unos 6 kg **** persona (anuales), para
> dominicana significarían: 6 * 9.365.818 = 56 194 908 Kg,
los datos son sobre producción nacional, no consumo.
(snip)
> Y te fijastes que la base de datos estadísticos de la FAO otorga para
> dominicana una cantidad casi 15 veces más que lo expresado en los
> diagramas:
>
> 581,410 MT.
>
http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/country.html;jsessionid=8E18DFAFBD989550389EC9F22E96F573?lang=en&country=56&year=2000
No es la producción agrícola nacional.
aquí esta:
Arroz productividad: (2000)
Cuba: 27,778
República Dominicana: 40,762
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=3&iso3=DOM
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=3&iso3=CUB
Producción agrícola nacional: Tus datos
Cuba: 250,000
República Dominicana: 527,014
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=2&iso3=CUB
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=2&iso3=DOM
Para 2000: 552800 en esta estadística
http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/country.html;jsessionid=8E18DFAFBD989550389EC9F22E96F573?lang=en&country=49&year=2000
con una producción indígena de 250000
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=2&iso3=CUB
Llego el Cristo para doblarlo?
República Dominicana
581401 en tu estadística:
http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/country.html;jsessionid=8E18DFAFBD989550389EC9F22E96F573?lang=en&country=56&year=2000
con una producción indígena de:
527014
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=2&iso3=DOM
explícame come la producción en Cuba de 250,000 toneladas (FAO) en 2000
http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/stats/default.asp?lang=en&element=2&iso3=CUB
se convirtió en 552800
http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/country.html;jsessionid=8E18DFAFBD989550389EC9F22E96F573?lang=en&country=49&year=2000
Es claro que la producción indígena de arroz es de 250,000 y que el
producto terminado (trabajando la diccionario nacional y las
im****taciones) son 552800.
Im****taciones de arroz en Cuba en 2000:
390178
Republica Dominicana:
53600
http://www.fao.org/es/ess/toptrade/trade.asp
La diferencia entre los datos del FAO arriba:
Cuba: 552,800 - 250,000 = 302,800
RD: 581,401 - 527,014 = 54,387
Estas mezclando producción **** la agricultura con producción local
industrial incluido im****taciones.
Yo uso datos comparables, tu estas mezclando datos de dos tipos.
demasiado fácil para mostrar eso a todos.
Que falso eres.
Mas fuentes cuales lo confirman:
Producción anual de menos de 200,000:
"In the five years ending in 1992, Cuba's production of rough rice
averaged nearly 425,000 metric tons per year," said Bell. "Since 1992,
annual production has been less than 200,000 tons per year. The
production decline has been due primarily to a shortage of fertilizers
and crop protectants.
"This past year, Cuba's average field yield for rice was less than 30
percent of the U.S. average."
http://southwestfarmpress.com/mag/farming_cuban_rice_im****ts/
Mira tambien "The International Rice Research Institute"
Cuba
http://www.irri.org/science/cnyinfo/Pdf/Cuba.pdf
PL
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