Dan Christensen wrote:
> On May 17, 7:07 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> [snipping ****tions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>>>>>> Your activities as a lying pro-castro lobbyist are well do***ented
in
>>>>>> SCC.
>>>>> Oh, really?
>>>> Not my words: you bragged about contacting various people in sup****t
of
>>>> the Cuban regime with an aim to influence their public statements.
>>> [snip]
>>> How amusing. Can you give us even one example of what you are talking
>>> about here?
>> Contacting certain medical doctors (US and SA based) on Cuba.
>
> Just confirming sources
not what I heard and certainly not confirmed by your actions.
In all cases you tried to mislead people about the facts when your
efforts failed.
I never said you were an intelligent lobbyist.
>> Your claims about Genocide Watch.
>
> Again, just confirming sources.
Nope.
You tried to "move things" and when you failed you posted a stack of
lies that you - as usual - exposed yourself by getting the numbers all
screwed up.
Again: what a disaster as a lobbyist.
All you got out of it was the need to lie more.
Dan Christensen's exposed lie about Genocide Watch.
Dan falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number from
a
book by Rummel. Another case of false claims of "private information".
Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000
deaths attributable to the Castro regime. Genocide Watch showed a figure
of
75,000 which comrade Dan promptly attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.
Dan Christensen fails to understand that his private lies can't refute
the
public record.
He tried this one on a couple of times and always failed.
Do you deny Dan Christensen that you got the numbers wrong in your lie
and
that the "exclusive" source you falsely claimed was used by Genocide Watch
(another "private" message) actually gave a LOWER figure than Genocide
Watch?
I have clearly shown that your claim that Mr. Rummel is the one and only
source Genocide Watch uses is false by proving that Mr. Rummel (whose
credibility you attack without proof) gives a different figure than
Genocide
Watch (73,000 versus 75,0000). Genocide Watch correctly lists Castro as a
genocidal dictator because of his responsibility for the death of
thousands
of people.
When confronted with your lie you turned insult in to injury by claiming
the
"made an error in copying", didn't you?
As always: the links that expose Dan Christensen's lies:
Dan's lie:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ff0ab4c53757e8a0?dmode=source&hl=en
My exposure of his lie:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/a44230458e76b3c7?dmode=source&hl=en
Dan's pathetic claim Genocide Watch made a mistake:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/8eeb4ad61f1463d4?dmode=source&hl=en
>> In each case you claimed / admitted contacting people to lobby on
behalf of
>> the Cuban regime.
>
> Bull****.(snip)
Nope.
Fact.
You ven deckared yourself to be a "cyber activist" and tried to lobby
people in various groups to come and sup****t you in SCC, again with
disastrous results.
>> You were even caught with lies and falsifications afterwards.
>
> In each case, your lies were exposed;(snip)
Nope.
Your lies were exposed as in all cases the falsifications you came up
with were either exposed by the person itself of were shown to be
baseless.
In one case the person whose views you misrepresented after approaching
him had a part of your website removed.
>>>>>> "According to Alim****t, in 2006, the total in im****ts and related
>>>>>> costs
>>>>>> paid to U.S. companies exceeded $570.8 million."
>>>>> Consistent with US data, that comes to 14 cents per Cuban per day
>>>>> including "related costs." (snip)
>>> What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons:
>>> Consistent with US data, that comes to 14 cents per Cuban per day
>>> including (snip)
>> didn't snip that at all.
>
> Liar. Just scroll up.
Fact.
>> Just put it in to context.
>> That context Dan Christensen of course snips as it exposes his lying
>> propaganda
>>
>>>> and consistent with Cuban data that amounts to a third of the basic
food
>>>> Cubans get, no?
>>> [snip]
>>> We are STILL waiting for your explanation of how 8 cents worth of food
>>> per person per day
>> above you say 14.
>
> [snip]
>
> You said 14 cents,
Nope.
You said.
I quoted you.
(snip)
>>> (official US data, not including "related costs")
>>> can possibly amount to a significant amount of food,
>> it is one third of the food that is supplied to Cubans in the basic
ration,
>> no?
>
> [snip]
>
> Sorry, not good enough,
(snip)
enough for you to snip the facts as usual Mr. serial Liar.
What desperate Dan snipped as it exposes his lies:
Although health care and education are free, and utility rates are
extremely low, a survey conducted in Havana at the start of the decade
found that a family of four would require seven times the average salary
to meet all of their basic needs."
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33561
7 times desperate Dan to meet basic needs.
That is why the alloted food is so little and why you desperately try to
hide behind a smokescreen of out of context figures.
That is why the US contribution to the Cuban basic food is is im****tant.
You hide behind the figures as usual hoping people won't see through the
lie.
Must make you proud to be a sup****ter of and lobbyist for a dictator****p
that has caused such a disaster.
what desperate Dan snipped:
"According to Alim****t, in 2006, the total in im****ts and related
costs paid to U.S. companies exceeded $570.8 million. These transactions,
taking place under restricted conditions, represented a significant
increase in financing costs for the island, estimated at some $21.8
million.
And it is in the interest of guaranteeing food for Cuba's 11 million
people that ALIM****T must im****t some $1.6 billion dollars in food,
for an increase of $600 million over the last four years, with a
tendency to double.
"Currently, Cuba im****ts some 7.8 million tons of foodstuffs. Of that,
95% is allocated for the family basket of goods guaranteed to every
Cuban household (a rationed distribution of products such as rice,
legumes, sugar, coffee, milk, meats, etc.) by the state"
"In opening the recent round of negotiations, Alvarez noted that from
the start of this one-way trade, ALIM****T has made contact with more
than 4,351 companies in 45 U.S. states, and has signed agreements worth
$2.431 billion."
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2007/mayo/juev31/agreements-100-million-purchases.html
"La economía cubana necesita incrementar la producción de alimentos y
reducir las im****taciones, en las que invierte unos mil millones de
dólares anuales, indicó la viceministra de Economía y Planificación,
Magalys Calvo. Cuba im****ta anualmente el 84% de los alimentos
destinados a la canasta básica, que incluye un grupo que se distribuye a
la población a precios subvencionados, según dijo la funcionaria en una
reunión de legisladores en la provincia oriental de Camagüey, informa
hoy el diario oficial "Granma"."
http://www.invertia.com/noticias/noticia.asp?subclasid=&clasid=&idNoticia=1702551
"Cuba last year spent about $1.6 billion on food im****ts, which made up
84 percent of the food products offered to the public at subsidized
prices."
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/cuba/sfl-0408,0,6585667.column
The fact is that it is about one third of the food that is supplied to
Cubans in the basic ration is im****ted from the US.
Keep snipping the facts, Hypocrite Lobbyist, but the facts won't change:
The im****ts are about 35% of the total
570/1600= 35%
Granma claims that 95% is allocated to the people.
That 95% represents 84% of th food people get.
That mean about 30% of the basic food is im****ted from the US
> and how this
> could possibly get you and your political masters
unlike you I have no masters.
> off the hook for
> what amounts to genocide.
No need.
There is no "genocide" except on the part of you and your masters as you
have confirmed over and over again by faling to post even ONE quote from
a reputable international organization referring to the trade sanctions
as such.
The Castro regime on the other hand has been on Genocide Watch's list
for years.
see:
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/GenocidesandPoliticidessince1945withstagesin2008.pdf
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
> (See featured article, "
(snip)
"article". How pompous can you get?
Your pack of lies you mean.
> Again, given this enthusiasm of yours for genocidal trade sanctions
already debunked here: there are no "genocidal trade sanctions".
That is just one of your lies Dan Christensen
> and your tacit sup****t of murder and torture,
(snip)
another and extremely hypocrite lie, but then lies are the thing that
your propaganda is made of.
In fact: you sup****t human rights abuses (calling them a "Sunday
picnic"), torture, murder, polticide and genocide in a very "vocal" way.
Nothing "tacit" about it desperate little man.
Of course I can quote you:
You sup****t a regime that:
- is on the list of genocide Watch:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the
past:
the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm
more about the UMAP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- tortures opponents:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm
- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm
- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- burns books - like the Nazi regime
- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system
of
social control - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
......
and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In
this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
........
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again,
the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents
seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the
cir***stances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
Unquote
as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the
truth about you.
You are right to understand that your record of lies, innuendo, insults
and sup****t of human rights abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.
And the exposure of the "lobbyist" lie.
Your abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over again Mr. serial
Liar.
When you tried to come up with your own new version of the lie
you also fell flat on your face , no?
Remember when you claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while
your pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP that I was
in Santiago de Cuba at the time.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
A real loser you are.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I blew
his "cover". In SCC he tried to ****tray himself as an "independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question in
a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show his
lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those with
"local knowledge".
In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often forgot to keep up the
presence and made him show his hand and true nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the cir***stances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that the
false claims he made about others (sup****t of genocide, torture, abuses,
.................................)in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, sup****t an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en
HIS own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: I had pages removed (for
violations of law, slander, ...), have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies, remove
lying caption from pictures, ...)and have in general exposed the lies on
it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its sup****t for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "re****t": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
en of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were to
defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers democracy"
under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the re****ts from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was being
censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that those
that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care about a
third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably to make
himself feel that he is "im****tant" and to explain away his complete
propaganda failure (****traying himself as "overcome by unsurmountable
institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove after
a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he had posted
there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the target
of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine)and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats in
France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net )and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" went to jail for 6 months for a whole series of
abuses. A Spanish "subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise
coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to:
those that don't have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the
liars they are. When that happens all they have left are the old slander
tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the hope that
they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly he
would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on) are
reduced to that they expose" their own failure.
Fine by me.
PL
"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is why
it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla, Spain
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