Dan Christensen wrote:
> On May 19, 1:21 am, PL <pl.nos...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> [snipping ****tions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
>
>>>> If they were mere merecanries as you call them they would just have
to
>>>> follow orders and shut up.
>>> Not necessarily. They have to live among the Cuban people after all.
>
> What Mr. Lobbyist snipped without indicating for obvious reasons:
actually replied to and the reply snipped by you.
> Not necessarily. They have to live among the Cuban people after all.
(snip)
They are only bothered by the regime and it's repressive system.
Not the people.
"rapid response brigades" are organized groups of thugs.
(snip)
But thanks for again confirming that you lied and that they are no
mercenaries.
>> They are only bothered by the regime and it's repressive system.
>> Not the people.
>
> [snip]
>
> Please explain why you think Cubans should be grateful for sanctions
(snip)
evasive.
thanks for admitting that it is the regime that har***** them though.
The facts:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
>>> We saw this again in the national elections earlier this year.
>> (snip)
>
> What Mr. Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons:
as it is a propaganda lie.
> "The vast majority seem to sup****t the government and the Revolution.
(snip)
The facts that expose the lie that dan Christensen snipped:
Nope as show by international press re****ts.
people conform, no more, no less.
The fact that so many try to flee the country and that the regime had to
impose a thight system of travel restrictions on the people that only
allows people to go abroad with an exit visa shows that that is a clear
lie.
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_movement.htm
About 500,000 risked sanctions by entering in the US visa lottery.
As people can't express themselves freely there is no way to guage their
true sup****t for the regime.
It is impossible to gauge the extent of Cubans' loyalty to Castro.
American-style opinion polls are not conducted.
"There is no free speech, limited free enterprise and little political
freedom on the island. That his communist regime is not universally
loved is underscored by the departure of thousands of Cubans each year
in risky ocean crossings to Florida."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/27048
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/11/30/cuba.waiting.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest
"The number of those who oppose Castro and his command-style economic
ideals is hard to gauge.
Only a few do speak out"
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6655137.stm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/31680
>> A sham anyone sees through and denounced as such by the UN rap****teur.
http://www.cubaverdad.net/elections_in_cuba.htm
>
> A rap****teur whose re****t was rejected
Nope.
The re****t never was rejected.
It is still on the UN website.
http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/TestFrame/e5cd0d891d0d6566c125661300495d69?Opendo***ent
> and his mandate terminated
(snip)
and another nominated a while later and then another one ...
As I said comrade Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the
truth about you.
You are right to understand that your record of lies, innuendo, insults
and sup****t of human rights abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.
And the exposure of the "lobbyist" lie.
Your abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over again Mr. serial
Liar.
When you tried to come up with your own new version of the lie
you also fell flat on your face , no?
Remember when you claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while
your pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP that I was
in Santiago de Cuba at the time.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
A real loser you are.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I blew
his "cover". In SCC he tried to ****tray himself as an "independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question in
a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show his
lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those with
"local knowledge".
In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often forgot to keep up the
presence and made him show his hand and true nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
..............................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the cir***stances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that the
false claims he made about others (sup****t of genocide, torture, abuses,
..............................)in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, sup****t an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en
HIS own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: I had pages removed (for
violations of law, slander, ...), have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies, remove
lying caption from pictures, ...)and have in general exposed the lies on
it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its sup****t for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "re****t": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
en of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were to
defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers democracy"
under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the re****ts from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was being
censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that those
that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care about a
third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably to make
himself feel that he is "im****tant" and to explain away his complete
propaganda failure (****traying himself as "overcome by unsurmountable
institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove after
a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he had posted
there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the target
of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine)and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats in
France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net )and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" went to jail for 6 months for a whole series of
abuses. A Spanish "subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise
coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to:
those that don't have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the
liars they are. When that happens all they have left are the old slander
tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the hope that
they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly he
would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on) are
reduced to that they expose" their own failure.
Fine by me.
PL
"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is why
it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla, Spain
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