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Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych

by Karel Kriz <karel@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 13, 2008 at 08:07 PM

In article 
<51cfd7fa-5605-4697-8575-7360ffa65dfd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 kujebak <kujebak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrinate_U

Generally, I don't use someone else's material to buttress my points. 
That would be intellectually dishonest. But thsi post is very well 
written and I think worth reading.

   €  The big problem I have with the reasoning of my conservative 
friends is they assume that ³either youıre with us or against us.² In 
their black and white universe, there are only the good people 
(conservatives) and the bad people (liberals). There are the people who 
love America (Republicans) and the people who hate it (Democrats). 
Simplistic *****sments like this can be heard on Fox News relentlessly 
and found on all too many right wing blogs. So now, we have a 
do***entary that offers the same tired myths. Just what the world needs.
   €  I teach at Emerson College in Boston and also at the University of 
Massachusetts. Iım one of those people who is liberal on some issues, 
moderate on some, and conservative on a coupleŠ but in Maloneyıs world, 
I guess I donıt exist, since evidently an educator must come down on the 
side of good (his side) or the side of evil (everyone who doesnıt like 
President Bush). I doubt heıd believe me, but many of my colleagues 
donıt toe a rigid ³party line²­ and not everyone on the faculty votes 
for the Democrats. But even if we all did­ what would that prove? My job 
isnıt to recruit for the Democratic party. My job as a professor of 
journalism is to teach my students how to do serious analysis of the 
information they are given, find the stories that deserve to be covered, 
get beyond the ³spin,² and recognize manipulation of facts when they see 
it­ whether itıs right wing or left wing or whatever.
   €  And speaking of manipulating facts, Maloney and his fellow 
conservatives like to take the extremes as present them as if they are 
typical­ I donıt know many liberals or moderates at either college where 
I teach who think Ward Churchill is the next best thing to sliced bread, 
yet Maloney asserts that every liberal professor adores the guy. Truth 
be told, I know a lot of professors who wouldnıt know Ward Churchill if 
they hadnıt seen the right wing TV shows huffing and puffing about him. 
But no, he does NOT represent the ³typical² liberal. I am not sure there 
really is a ³typical² liberal except for the mythic one the right wing 
loves to attack. Can you say Straw Man argument?
   €  And since Maloney seems to think all of us Blue State educators 
lack the proper values, may I mention that I used to teach Sunday 
School, I can quote scripture with the best of them, I have 2 
step-daughters who served in the military, and I donıt hate America­ I 
just donıt like our current administration and its assault on civil 
liberties, so I guess Iım a commie in his book. I wonder if heıs ever 
really talked to some of us allegedly liberal educators. But no, itıs so 
much easier to stereotype us.
   €  Yes, some of my colleagues like Chomsky, but some wish he had 
stuck to linguistics. At the risk of stating the obvious, as educators, 
our job is to make students think. So, we have them study and discuss 
all sorts of theorists. Some of those theorists are from the left, and 
some are from other ends of the political spectrum. If I ask my students 
to read a Marxist critic, am I then guilty of training future Marxists? 
Maloney seems to think that even reading from left-wing scholars makes 
one a traitor-in-waiting. I find it ironic that he seems to want to 
censor reading lists and political beliefs, all the while claiming itıs 
the left who engage in thought control.
   €  I wish heıd come to one of my cl*****. He would see that, like 
many educators, I insist upon my students looking at both sides of the 
issues. they are expected to read both left-wing and right-wing 
publications, along with those generally perceived as objective. How 
else can they gather the facts if they donıt explore various viewpoints? 
Also, when I give my opinion, I let students know itıs my OPINION. If 
they quote it back to me on a quiz, my eyes will glaze over. I donıt 
want students to agree with everything I say. I just want them to 
consider my opinions, as I will consider theirs. Discourse is about 
respect, wouldnıt you say?
   €  What would make me happy is if my friends on the right would stop 
demonizing the campus as a hotbed of radicals and traitors. I am a media 
historian and I must tell you this tactic has been used by the right 
since the turn of the last century. It was dishonest in 1920, and itıs 
dishonest today. Liberals are not destroying our kids, and conservatives 
are not saving them. There are other very real problems with todayıs 
educational system, but blaming it on too many (allegedly) liberal 
professors is utter nonsense. Based on my 25 years of teaching and being 
a guest lecturer in a number of cities, I seriously doubt that most 
campuses are liberal­ some DEPARTMENTS, yes. Entire campuses, not so 
much.
   €  I am tired of people like Maloney stereotyping and maligning my 
profession. His evidence is largely anecdotal, and his assertions are 
based on distorted information. Shame on him for letting his ideology 
determine the story line of his so-called do***entary.
   €  ‹ Posted by Donna L. Halper
 




 46 Posts in Topic:
Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Frank Bures <feeb@[EMA  2008-02-13 12:54:50 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-13 10:57:25 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-13 11:56:45 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-13 12:31:28 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Frank Bures <feeb@[EMA  2008-02-14 14:05:25 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-14 12:16:40 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-13 14:27:46 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-13 16:08:10 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-13 17:28:32 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-13 19:22:37 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-13 20:07:30 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-13 22:03:59 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-14 09:53:33 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Yukon <Loyza3@[EMAIL P  2008-02-13 22:10:11 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Yukon <Loyza3@[EMAIL P  2008-02-13 22:14:30 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Yukon <Loyza3@[EMAIL P  2008-02-13 22:17:23 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Yukon <Loyza3@[EMAIL P  2008-02-13 22:19:25 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-14 07:24:25 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
"Paul J Kriha"   2008-02-15 17:38:32 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Yukon <Loyza3@[EMAIL P  2008-02-13 22:22:01 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-14 07:25:55 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-13 12:04:13 
Re: Je neco shnileho ve Statech Spojenych
Yukon <Loyza3@[EMAIL P  2008-02-13 22:12:36 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-15 19:19:42 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-16 11:17:10 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-16 14:43:29 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-16 15:56:42 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-16 16:50:06 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-16 17:12:39 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Frank Bures <feeb@[EMA  2008-02-19 08:29:13 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-19 07:32:19 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Frank Bures <feeb@[EMA  2008-02-19 11:14:10 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-19 09:43:32 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
"Paul J Kriha"   2008-02-20 17:10:30 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Karel Kriz <karel@[EMA  2008-02-19 21:42:06 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
okyn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-19 21:22:14 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Frank Bures <feeb@[EMA  2008-02-20 07:38:37 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
"Paul J Kriha"   2008-02-21 16:01:47 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
"Paul J Kriha"   2008-02-21 16:23:31 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
kujebak <kujebak@[EMAI  2008-02-19 23:22:31 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
"Jenicek" <J  2008-02-20 13:04:14 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
okyn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 09:08:06 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
Frank Bures <feeb@[EMA  2008-02-20 13:16:09 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
"Paul J Kriha"   2008-02-21 16:26:37 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
okyn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-20 14:27:56 
Re: Je neco shnileho v tomto clanku
"Paul J Kriha"   2008-02-21 16:40:34 

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