On Feb 20, 7:38=C2=A0am, Frank Bures <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> o...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > On Feb 19, 11:10 pm, "Paul J Kriha"
> > <paul.nospam.kr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> "Karel Kriz" <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
> >>news:karel-0744BC.07321919022008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >>> In article <fpelj9$5e...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >>> =C2=A0Frank Bures <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> Karel Kriz wrote:
> >>>>> In article <fovata$ui...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >>>>> =C2=A0Frank Bures <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>>> The camera does not lie: Former centres of learning and
intellectua=
l
> >>>>>> diversity are now indoctrination sites systemically dedicated to
th=
e
> >>>>>> abbreviation of human curiosity and the alienation of students
from=
> >>>>>> Western
> >>>>>> civilization.
> >>>>>> I often wonder where in Canada I could "go home again" in the
21st
> >>>>>> century.
> >>>>>> I have one simple, symbolic criterion: a learning centre that
would=
still
> >>>>>> hold up for critical admiration the greatness in the writings of
Th=
omas
> >>>>>> Wolfe, a hard-drinking, aggressively hetero***ual white male from
a=
racist
> >>>>>> background, whose creative inspiration was Western civilization's
l=
iterary
> >>>>>> treasure trove and whose overriding theme was his passion for
Ameri=
ca.
> >>>>>> That's a tall order nowadays. I only know one three-year arts
progr=
am in
> >>>>>> Canada today I'd be glad to call my intellectual home, and I fear
f=
or its
> >>>>>> survival.
> >>>>> This article blew me away. Bures accused me of just "scanning it",
b=
ut
> >>>>> NO-OOO, I read every word.
> >>>> To put words in someone mouth is not too ethical, but it happens.
> >>>> To intentionally misquote someone is reaching new low even for you.
> >>>> There is no phrase "scanning it" anywhere in my original post.
> >>> A new low? Even for me? What on earth are you talking about?
> >>> You wrote:
> >>> "Karel,
> >>> have you read the article? =C2=A0Or just glanced over it?"
> >>> glanced =3D scanned more or less. So what's the problem?
> >> You fool! Where have you been since you got off the boat?
>
> >> You _quoted_ Frank. When you put something in quotes
> >> it means you quote (i.e. repeat) exactly what the person said.
> >> That is the very purpose of the quotes to distinguish quotations
> >> from paraphrasing.
>
> >Do not use quotation marks for
> > indirect quotations.
>
> Q.E.D.
>
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> <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Frank, it seems to me obvious that Kriz used the quotation marks not
as direct quotation but in the "unusual" way that is quite usual in
English. So your "Q.E.D." is not convincing.
See some additional excerpts:
Again from Online Writing Lab
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_overvw.html
Quotation Marks " "
Use quotation marks . . .
in the following situations: for example:
to enclose direct quotations. Note that commas and periods go inside
the closing quotation mark in conventional American usage; colons and
semicolons go outside; and placement of question and exclamation marks
depends on the situation (see our quotation marks do***ent). He asked,
"Will you be there?" "Yes," I answered, "I'll look for you in the
foyer."
to indicate words used ironically, with reservations, or in some
unusual way; but don't overuse quotation marks in this sense, or they
will lose their impact. History is stained with blood spilled in the
name of "civilization."
=46rom Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark
[edit] Irony
Another im****tant use of quotation marks is to indicate or call
attention to ironic or apologetic words. Ironic quotation marks can
also be called scare, sneer, shock, or distance quotes. Ironic
quotation marks are sometimes gestured in oral speech using air
quotes:
My brother claimed he was too =E2=80=9Cbusy=E2=80=9D to help me.
Quotation marks indicating ironic use of a term should be used with
care. Without the intonational cues of speech, they can obscure the
writer=E2=80=99s intended meaning. They can also be confused easily with
direct quotations, so some style guides specify single quotation marks
for this usage, and double quotation marks for verbatim speech.
[edit] Signaling unusual usage
Quotation marks are also used to indicate that the writer realizes
that a word is not being used in its current commonly-accepted sense.
In the fifteenth century, we =E2=80=9Cknew=E2=80=9D that the Sun=E2=80=99s
r=
evolution divided
day from night.
Woody Allen joked, =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m astounded by people who want to
=E2=
=80=98know=E2=80=99 the
universe when it=E2=80=99s hard enough to find your way around
Chinatown.=E2=
=80=9D
In addition to conveying a neutral attitude and to call attention to a
neologism or a slang or special terminology (also known as jargon),
quoting can also indicate words or phrases that are descriptive but
unusual, colloquial, folksy, startling, humorous, or metaphoric:
Dawkins's concept of the meme could be described as an "evolving
idea".
People use quotation marks in this way to:
=C2=B7 indicate descriptive but unusual, colloquial, folksy words or
phrases
=C2=B7 indicate descriptive but startling, humorous, or metaphoric words
or
phrases
=C2=B7 distance the writer from the terminology in question so as not to
be
associated with it. For example, to indicate that a quoted word is not
official terminology, or that a quoted phrase pre-supposes things that
the author does not necessarily agree with.
=C2=B7 indicate special terminology that should be identified for
accuracy's sake as someone else's terminology, for example if a term
(particularly a controversial term) pre-dates the writer or represents
the views of someone else, perhaps without judgement (contrast this
neutrally-distancing quoting to the negative use of scare quotes)
The Chicago Manual of Style (CMS), 15th edition[3] acknowledges this
type of use but cautions against overuse in section 7.58, "Quotation
marks are often used to alert readers that a term is used in a
nonstandard, ironic, or other special sense [...] They imply 'This is
not my term' or 'This is not how the term is usually applied.'. Like
any such device, scare quotes lose their force and irritate readers if
overused."
Bartleby
http://www.bartleby.com/68/40/4940.html
These punctuation marks (the British call them inverted commas) come
in two forms, double and single. The double quotation marks (opening
=E2=80=
=9C
and closing =E2=80=9D) are used to enclose the words of a direct
quotation:
She said, =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99ll never see you again.=E2=80=9D (They are
neve=
r used in indirect
quotation: She said she=E2=80=99d never see him again.) They are also used
t=
o
enclose words or phrases quoted from others or words that may be slang
or that are in some other way being used peculiarly: The speaker tried
to put a favorable =E2=80=9Cspin=E2=80=9D on his denial. The
=E2=80=9Cpacifi=
cation plan=E2=80=9D was
in fact simply a euphemism for a bloody conquest. But be sparing: most
editors discourage the use of such quotation marks for effect rather
than for a substantive reason, and overuse of these marks in any
writing is affected.
White Smoke
http://www.whitesmoke.com/
3. Setting off Special Text
1. When referring to words used as words, you can mark them out by
either quotation marks, underlining or italics. Whichever option you
choose, be consistent throughout any given piece of writing.
It is a common mistake among students of English to confuse
=EF=BF=BDexpect =
=EF=BF=BD
and =EF=BF=BDexcept =EF=BF=BD when reading or writing.
[words set off with quotation marks]
It is a common mistake among students of English to confuse expect and
except when reading or writing.
[words set off using italics]
2. When you use technical terms related to a certain profession or
field of study, enclose them in quotation marks and provide a
definition. This is im****tant as your audience may not be familiar
with these expressions and may take them at face value. If the
audience of your writing is familiar with professional jargon, it
would be unnecessary or even insulting to use quotation marks. Do not
reuse quotation marks with technical terms once they have been
introduced and defined.
=EF=BF=BDThe passive voice =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD the form of the verb in
which=
the subject is
acted on in order to emphasize the action rather than its doer =EF=BF=BD
is
not recommended to be used profusely, according to most writing
guides. However, not all writers take this recommendation about the
passive voice seriously.
[term introduced in quotation marks, definition provided between
dashes, reoccurrence of term without quotation marks]
3. When you use a word that in itself is not unusual, but locate it in
a context in which it would have a different nonstandard sense or is
jargon related, enclose it in quotation marks. This way, the reader
understands that the word is used in a manner out of the ordinary.
In the grammatical jargon of English verb tenses, a =EF=BF=BDsimple
=EF=BF=
=BD verb
means that the verb is composed of one word and simply states an
action or situation. Actions which are incomplete and still ongoing
are expressed by =EF=BF=BDprogressive =EF=BF=BD forms, while
=EF=BF=BDperfec=
t =EF=BF=BD tenses denote
the completeness of the action rather than it having been performed
perfectly or without flaws.
4. When you use self-coined terms your readers are unlikely to be
familiar with, draw their attention to these by using quotation marks
and providing definitions.
On our last writing assignment about creating instructions for a new
game, we received one grade for writing proficiency and one for
=EF=BF=BDidi=
ot
proofing , =EF=BF=BD that is, how clear and self-explanatory the
instruction=
s
would be to even the most obtuse reader.
5. Use quotation marks with words and phrases where the sentence would
be difficult to understand, as the reader may not be able to relate
certain words to others by, for example, mistaking parts of speech.
unclear: In some word processors, track changes is a feature that
allows you to make editing changes visible.
[ track changes may be mistaken for a demand directed at the reader]
better: In some word processors, =EF=BF=BDtrack changes =EF=BF=BD is a
featu=
re that
allows you to make editing changes visible.
[ track changes is perceived as an independent concept]
6. Use quotation marks with English translations of words and phrases
from other languages. Use italics for the original in the source
language.
My old Latin teacher would always complain that his wife could keep on
chatting with her country club friends ad infinitum ( =EF=BF=BDcontinuing
forever =EF=BF=BD).
7. Use quotation marks around words you mean to use ironically or in
any other non-literal manner.
The =EF=BF=BDreform =EF=BF=BD proposed by the Ministry of Education turned
o=
ut to be
yet another budget-cut scheme.
[ironical use of reform]
In politically correct language, bad looking girls are sometimes
referred to as =EF=BF=BDaesthetically challenging =EF=BF=BD.
[non-standard use of aesthetically challenging]
8. Academic writing does not usually tolerate slang or clich=EF=BF=BDs and
prefers different wordings to express the same idea. If you cannot or
do not wish to avoid these for stylistic purposes, use quotation marks
to set them off the text.
Avoid: When a new American brand enters the local market, initial
consumer response has it =EF=BF=BDselling like hot cakes =EF=BF=BD.
Better: When a new American brand enters the local market, initial
consumer response creates an immediate considerable demand.
9. Use quotation marks with nicknames when these appear together with
the full name. Nicknames on their own do not warrant quotation marks.
If the nickname is well known, you do not need to give it with the
full name.
Cherilyn LaPiere, better known as the singer Cher
[Known person, no quotation marks around Cher]
Lou =EF=BF=BDthe Lizard=EF=BF=BD Maloney
[unknown person, quotation marks around the nickname the Lizard, which
appears with the full name ]
10. In order to distinguish some phrases used as adjectives, it is
recommended to set them off with quotation marks.
I think the =EF=BF=BDartsy-fartsy =EF=BF=BD crowd she is hanging out with
is=
a bit
snobbish.
I don=EF=BF=BDt like the =EF=BF=BDdon=EF=BF=BDt call us =EF=BF=BD
we=EF=BF=
=BDll call you =EF=BF=BD attitude you get in
job interviews.
*Watch out !
11. Do not use quotation marks with a word simply to call attention to
it or express sarcasm.
No: She was =EF=BF=BDvery =EF=BF=BD pleased with the students=EF=BF=BD
grade=
s.
12. Do not enclose titles of school essays or academic papers in
quotation marks, unless they include another title that does require
quotation marks.
Comparative Literary Analysis of Shakespeare=EF=BF=BDs =EF=BF=BDMacbeth
=EF=
=BF=BD with Ibsen=EF=BF=BDs
=EF=BF=BDA Doll=EF=BF=BDs House. =EF=BF=BD
O.K.
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