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kujebak <kujebak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 2, 12:16 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > In article
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> > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > Karel Kriz wrote:
> > > > In article <fsvrkn$hh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > Frank Bures <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > > > If you are appalled by the apparent disregard of freedom of
speech by
> > > > > some
> > > > > Western governments related to the banning of the movie Fitna,
> > > > > please sign the petition at
> >
> > > > >http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html
> >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Frank
> >
> > > > This is total nonsense! The petition reads like it's written by a
> > > > 12-year old, it is vague, misleading and it's threat pathetic. You
> > > > think
> > > > to bring a government of a tiny European country down by a dozen
people
> > > > NOT buying Gouda for a week or so?
> >
> > > > Besides, you are barking up the wrong tree. Nobody "banned" the
> > > > cretinous movie, so who, exactly committed this free speech
violation?
> >
> > > What do you mean "nobody banned" it?
> > > Did you read Youtube's assinine explanation last week
> > > why its link was taken down? Now it can only be viewed
> > > by "registered users". I would not provide personal info.
> > > to such an anally retentive, greedy outfit, if my life depen-
> > > ded on it. Besides, the film is available from plenty of
> > > other places.
> >
> > Youtube is a private organization that has it's own rules. Just like
> > Yahoo, Ebay, and others. Lobbying the Dutch government in an effort to
> > change an US cor****ation (Youtube) internal policies would seem like
> > asking the Japanese Emperor to help with a local zoning problem. No, I
> > have not seen the youtube explanation. No doubt there are many items
> > there that are available only to registered users. Last time I looked,
> > registration was free, so what is the problem? We supply our personal
> > information to greedy outfits on daily basis, why is Youtube different
> > from Orbitz, Ebay, Amazon?
> >
> > Are they an agent of some terrorist organization? Is their aim to
> > undermine our values by not making readily available, nay, NOT
promoting
> > images of nasty muslims waving Kalashnikovs and chanting death to the
US
> > (like we have not seen that before). Do you think a 15 minute splicing
> > of some disagreeable images will alter the world?
> >
> > Think not...
> >
> > Like you wrote, it's available in many other places, again, what is
the
> > problem?
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Nah, if you want your personal phobias to hit mainstream, you
really
> > > > have to do a lot better than this half-hearted effort.
> >
> > > > K.
> > > > I did not see the movie. I might when it hits the local flick
house...
> >
> > > Perhaps you can provide a more informed opinion after
> > > you see it:
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2knwku
> >
> > Did you ever see Lewis Black talking about the Superbowl half time
> > entertainment?
> > "And there was Britney Spears...singing, but all I saw was: Titty,
> > titty, titty...ass, ass, ass....titty, titty, ...ass, ass"
> >
> > It's kind of the same with this "do***entary", which is more like a
> > second rate PowerPoint presentation. All I got, was: "Muslim, Muslim,
> > Muslim...bad, bad, bad...Muslim, Muslim, Muslim...bad, bad, bad". All
of
> > which is exactly what I expected to see, except badly presented.
> >
> > Goebbels would be proud, it's straight out of his propaganda school.
> > "Take all the bad stuff, make a cocktail out of it, hit a few nerves,
a
> > few common phobias, build in a few threats, mismanage some statistics,
> > show a few nasty Jews huddled together" and bingo. You've got yourself
a
> > nice inflammatory piece to use over and over again. Oh, I forgot, the
> > bloodied kids...that is a good image too...Now substitute Arabs for
Jews
> > and you are done.
> > Like we did not know that there were nasty people in the world...it's
> > such a ****ing surprise...
> >
> > Sorry, pal, this is crap!
> >
> > You can petition whoever you want to hearts delight, but this little
> > piece will sink like a rock - except for the local Skinhead Beer Fests
> > and Recruitment Drives.
> >
> > Karel- Hide quoted text -
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> Since you have not seen the movie, let's not get bogged down
> in the particulars. Youtube's policy of flagging anti-jihad videos for
> containing "content that is inappropriate for some users", and
> hiding them behing registerded user login, is a form of censor****p.
> Regardless of the issue of prerogative.
I've seen the movie...most of it. It's puerile and simplistic. Thumbs
down. As for youtube policies...well, it's up to them. Try posting ****
for sale on ebay. Or Nazi artifacts. You can't. Why? It's their
business. I am a staunch defender of the freedom of speech, as you well
know. But it's different with privately owned sites. Are you going to
petition Fox Channel to air Michael Moore do***enatries? No, of course
not. Fox and youtube have the prerogative to decide what is posted. But
maybe petitioning the Dutch government will help. Keep it up.
Karel
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