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kujebak <kujebak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 2, 2:35 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > In article
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> > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 2, 12:16 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > In article
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> > > > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > Karel Kriz wrote:
> > > > > > In article <fsvrkn$hh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > Frank Bures <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > If you are appalled by the apparent disregard of freedom of
> > > > > > > speech by
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > Western governments related to the banning of the movie
Fitna,
> > > > > > > please sign the petition at
> >
> > > > > > >http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Frank
> >
> > > > > > This is total nonsense! The petition reads like it's written
by a
> > > > > > 12-year old, it is vague, misleading and it's threat pathetic.
You
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > to bring a government of a tiny European country down by a
dozen
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > NOT buying Gouda for a week or so?
> >
> > > > > > Besides, you are barking up the wrong tree. Nobody "banned"
the
> > > > > > cretinous movie, so who, exactly committed this free speech
> > > > > > violation?
> >
> > > > > What do you mean "nobody banned" it?
> > > > > Did you read Youtube's assinine explanation last week
> > > > > why its link was taken down? Now it can only be viewed
> > > > > by "registered users". I would not provide personal info.
> > > > > to such an anally retentive, greedy outfit, if my life depen-
> > > > > ded on it. Besides, the film is available from plenty of
> > > > > other places.
> >
> > > > Youtube is a private organization that has it's own rules. Just
like
> > > > Yahoo, Ebay, and others. Lobbying the Dutch government in an
effort to
> > > > change an US cor****ation (Youtube) internal policies would seem
like
> > > > asking the Japanese Emperor to help with a local zoning problem.
No, I
> > > > have not seen the youtube explanation. No doubt there are many
items
> > > > there that are available only to registered users. Last time I
looked,
> > > > registration was free, so what is the problem? We supply our
personal
> > > > information to greedy outfits on daily basis, why is Youtube
different
> > > > from Orbitz, Ebay, Amazon?
> >
> > > > Are they an agent of some terrorist organization? Is their aim to
> > > > undermine our values by not making readily available, nay, NOT
> > > > promoting
> > > > images of nasty muslims waving Kalashnikovs and chanting death to
the
> > > > US
> > > > (like we have not seen that before). Do you think a 15 minute
splicing
> > > > of some disagreeable images will alter the world?
> >
> > > > Think not...
> >
> > > > Like you wrote, it's available in many other places, again, what
is the
> > > > problem?
> >
> > > > > > Nah, if you want your personal phobias to hit mainstream, you
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > have to do a lot better than this half-hearted effort.
> >
> > > > > > K.
> > > > > > I did not see the movie. I might when it hits the local flick
> > > > > > house...
> >
> > > > > Perhaps you can provide a more informed opinion after
> > > > > you see it:
> >
> > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2knwku
> >
> > > > Did you ever see Lewis Black talking about the Superbowl half time
> > > > entertainment?
> > > > "And there was Britney Spears...singing, but all I saw was: Titty,
> > > > titty, titty...ass, ass, ass....titty, titty, ...ass, ass"
> >
> > > > It's kind of the same with this "do***entary", which is more like
a
> > > > second rate PowerPoint presentation. All I got, was: "Muslim,
Muslim,
> > > > Muslim...bad, bad, bad...Muslim, Muslim, Muslim...bad, bad, bad".
All
> > > > of
> > > > which is exactly what I expected to see, except badly presented.
> >
> > > > Goebbels would be proud, it's straight out of his propaganda
school.
> > > > "Take all the bad stuff, make a cocktail out of it, hit a few
nerves, a
> > > > few common phobias, build in a few threats, mismanage some
statistics,
> > > > show a few nasty Jews huddled together" and bingo. You've got
yourself
> > > > a
> > > > nice inflammatory piece to use over and over again. Oh, I forgot,
the
> > > > bloodied kids...that is a good image too...Now substitute Arabs
for
> > > > Jews
> > > > and you are done.
> > > > Like we did not know that there were nasty people in the
world...it's
> > > > such a ****ing surprise...
> >
> > > > Sorry, pal, this is crap!
> >
> > > > You can petition whoever you want to hearts delight, but this
little
> > > > piece will sink like a rock - except for the local Skinhead Beer
Fests
> > > > and Recruitment Drives.
> >
> > > > Karel- Hide quoted text -
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> >
> > > Since you have not seen the movie, let's not get bogged down
> > > in the particulars. Youtube's policy of flagging anti-jihad videos
for
> > > containing "content that is inappropriate for some users", and
> > > hiding them behing registerded user login, is a form of censor****p.
> > > Regardless of the issue of prerogative.
> >
> > I've seen the movie...most of it. It's puerile and simplistic. Thumbs
> > down. As for youtube policies...well, it's up to them. Try posting
****
> > for sale on ebay. Or Nazi artifacts. You can't. Why? It's their
> > business. I am a staunch defender of the freedom of speech, as you
well
> > know. But it's different with privately owned sites. Are you going to
> > petition Fox Channel to air Michael Moore do***enatries? No, of course
> > not. Fox and youtube have the prerogative to decide what is posted.
But
> > maybe petitioning the Dutch government will help. Keep it up.
> >
> > Karel- Hide quoted text -
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> We are not talking about ****ography. We're not even
> talking about cultural intolerance. There is plenty of
> unrestricted culturally intolerant content on Youtube, as
> you well know.
No, I don't know. Youtube is not a place where I spend a lot of time.
What we're talking about is fear. Fear of one
> particular group in our society, which is something new to
> most people today. Yourself apparently included;-).
> To use an epidemiological metaphor, it is like a disease,
> which has not been seen for over a generation. Can you
> tell me which disease I'm talking about? And if you can,
> what was remarkable about that effort, back in the 1960s?
> Something we are sorely lacking today.
Well, you be afraid, if you want to. I've had it with this fear
mongering crap. We are not chickens. I have no idea what you were afraid
of in the sixties, probably peace loving hippies, or the draft, who
knows, but I doubt we need that again.
K
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