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kujebak <kujebak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 2, 4:20 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > In article
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> > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 2, 2:35 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > In article
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> > > > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On Apr 2, 12:16 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > In article
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> > > > > > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > Karel Kriz wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <fsvrkn$hh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > > Frank Bures <f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > If you are appalled by the apparent disregard of freedom
of
> > > > > > > > > speech by
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > Western governments related to the banning of the movie
> > > > > > > > > Fitna,
> > > > > > > > > please sign the petition at
> >
> > > > > > > > >http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html
> >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > Frank
> >
> > > > > > > > This is total nonsense! The petition reads like it's
written by
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 12-year old, it is vague, misleading and it's threat
pathetic.
> > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > to bring a government of a tiny European country down by a
> > > > > > > > dozen
> > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > NOT buying Gouda for a week or so?
> >
> > > > > > > > Besides, you are barking up the wrong tree. Nobody
"banned" the
> > > > > > > > cretinous movie, so who, exactly committed this free
speech
> > > > > > > > violation?
> >
> > > > > > > What do you mean "nobody banned" it?
> > > > > > > Did you read Youtube's assinine explanation last week
> > > > > > > why its link was taken down? Now it can only be viewed
> > > > > > > by "registered users". I would not provide personal info.
> > > > > > > to such an anally retentive, greedy outfit, if my life
depen-
> > > > > > > ded on it. Besides, the film is available from plenty of
> > > > > > > other places.
> >
> > > > > > Youtube is a private organization that has it's own rules.
Just
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > Yahoo, Ebay, and others. Lobbying the Dutch government in an
effort
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > change an US cor****ation (Youtube) internal policies would
seem
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > asking the Japanese Emperor to help with a local zoning
problem.
> > > > > > No, I
> > > > > > have not seen the youtube explanation. No doubt there are many
> > > > > > items
> > > > > > there that are available only to registered users. Last time I
> > > > > > looked,
> > > > > > registration was free, so what is the problem? We supply our
> > > > > > personal
> > > > > > information to greedy outfits on daily basis, why is Youtube
> > > > > > different
> > > > > > from Orbitz, Ebay, Amazon?
> >
> > > > > > Are they an agent of some terrorist organization? Is their aim
to
> > > > > > undermine our values by not making readily available, nay, NOT
> > > > > > promoting
> > > > > > images of nasty muslims waving Kalashnikovs and chanting death
to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > US
> > > > > > (like we have not seen that before). Do you think a 15 minute
> > > > > > splicing
> > > > > > of some disagreeable images will alter the world?
> >
> > > > > > Think not...
> >
> > > > > > Like you wrote, it's available in many other places, again,
what is
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > problem?
> >
> > > > > > > > Nah, if you want your personal phobias to hit mainstream,
you
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > have to do a lot better than this half-hearted effort.
> >
> > > > > > > > K.
> > > > > > > > I did not see the movie. I might when it hits the local
flick
> > > > > > > > house...
> >
> > > > > > > Perhaps you can provide a more informed opinion after
> > > > > > > you see it:
> >
> > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2knwku
> >
> > > > > > Did you ever see Lewis Black talking about the Superbowl half
time
> > > > > > entertainment?
> > > > > > "And there was Britney Spears...singing, but all I saw was:
Titty,
> > > > > > titty, titty...ass, ass, ass....titty, titty, ...ass, ass"
> >
> > > > > > It's kind of the same with this "do***entary", which is more
like a
> > > > > > second rate PowerPoint presentation. All I got, was: "Muslim,
> > > > > > Muslim,
> > > > > > Muslim...bad, bad, bad...Muslim, Muslim, Muslim...bad, bad,
bad".
> > > > > > All
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > which is exactly what I expected to see, except badly
presented.
> >
> > > > > > Goebbels would be proud, it's straight out of his propaganda
> > > > > > school.
> > > > > > "Take all the bad stuff, make a cocktail out of it, hit a few
> > > > > > nerves, a
> > > > > > few common phobias, build in a few threats, mismanage some
> > > > > > statistics,
> > > > > > show a few nasty Jews huddled together" and bingo. You've got
> > > > > > yourself
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > nice inflammatory piece to use over and over again. Oh, I
forgot,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > bloodied kids...that is a good image too...Now substitute
Arabs for
> > > > > > Jews
> > > > > > and you are done.
> > > > > > Like we did not know that there were nasty people in the
> > > > > > world...it's
> > > > > > such a ****ing surprise...
> >
> > > > > > Sorry, pal, this is crap!
> >
> > > > > > You can petition whoever you want to hearts delight, but this
> > > > > > little
> > > > > > piece will sink like a rock - except for the local Skinhead
Beer
> > > > > > Fests
> > > > > > and Recruitment Drives.
> >
> > > > > > Karel- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > Since you have not seen the movie, let's not get bogged down
> > > > > in the particulars. Youtube's policy of flagging anti-jihad
videos
> > > > > for
> > > > > containing "content that is inappropriate for some users", and
> > > > > hiding them behing registerded user login, is a form of
censor****p.
> > > > > Regardless of the issue of prerogative.
> >
> > > > I've seen the movie...most of it. It's puerile and simplistic.
Thumbs
> > > > down. As for youtube policies...well, it's up to them. Try posting
****
> > > > for sale on ebay. Or Nazi artifacts. You can't. Why? It's their
> > > > business. I am a staunch defender of the freedom of speech, as you
well
> > > > know. But it's different with privately owned sites. Are you going
to
> > > > petition Fox Channel to air Michael Moore do***enatries? No, of
course
> > > > not. Fox and youtube have the prerogative to decide what is
posted. But
> > > > maybe petitioning the Dutch government will help. Keep it up.
> >
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> > > We are not talking about ****ography. We're not even
> > > talking about cultural intolerance. There is plenty of
> > > unrestricted culturally intolerant content on Youtube, as
> > > you well know.
> >
> > No, I don't know. Youtube is not a place where I spend a lot of time.
> >
> > What we're talking about is fear. Fear of one
> >
> > > particular group in our society, which is something new to
> > > most people today. Yourself apparently included;-).
> > > To use an epidemiological metaphor, it is like a disease,
> > > which has not been seen for over a generation. Can you
> > > tell me which disease I'm talking about? And if you can,
> > > what was remarkable about that effort, back in the 1960s?
> > > Something we are sorely lacking today.
> >
> > Well, you be afraid, if you want to. I've had it with this fear
> > mongering crap. We are not chickens. I have no idea what you were
afraid
> > of in the sixties, probably peace loving hippies, or the draft, who
> > knows, but I doubt we need that again.
> >
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> I was of course referring to the global effort to eradicate
> smallpox by the end of the decade of the1960s, which
> of course we did, thanks preeminently to the firmness of
> our collective resolve focused on a singular, existential
> purpose, the likes of which has not been seen ever before
> in history, or since. I was also referring to white America's
> dispro****tionate reaction to the Civil Rights Movement,
> which, at least initially, was based more on fear of social
> disintegration, than on moral rectitude.
Existential purpose?! Is that like manifest destiny? Or heroic
narrative? Or muff diving?
Existential purpose... I googled it and got zilch so, maybe in this
context, it means that WE, as mankind, were destined (by a power unknown
to us) to eradicate smallpox, through badly made propaganda videos. Are
I close, Master?
Here's an exercise. List your fears 1- 10 , one being the most
threatening to YOU, personally or otherwise.
K
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