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John Horak <johorak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:55:05 -0700, Karel Kriz wrote:
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> > In article
> > <e631ccfc-7ecf-4098-a48e-d921349803f5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > kujebak <kujebak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Apr 6, 11:05am, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> > In article
> >> > <0e378fb4-cd62-42d8-b2cf-89812896f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > > On Apr 4, 7:57pm, "Paul J Kriha"
> >> > > <paul.nospam.kr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> > > > "Karel Kriz" <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >> > > >news:karel-91D531.15014104042008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > > > > In article
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> >> > > > > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > > > > > Karel Kriz wrote:
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> >> > > > > > > A couple of years ago, the Catholic church held a
week-long
> >> > > > > > > conference
> >> > > > > > > on Limbo. Delegates from all over the world, respected
> >> > > > > > > theologians,
> >> > > > > > > religious scholars, priests and bishops discussed Limbo
for
> >> > > > > > > a week.
> >> > > > > > > They
> >> > > > > > > tried to define Limbo, locate it and determine who will
or
> >> > > > > > > should end
> >> > > > > > > up
> >> > > > > > > in Limbo after death.
> >> >
> >> > > > > > > From my vantage point, also far away from the Vatican, it
> >> > > > > > > is inconceivable to think of a more monumental waste of
> >> > > > > > > time and human
> >> > > > > > > effort then this Limbo conference. With the possible
> >> > > > > > > exception of a
> >> > > > > > > pissing contest about which one of us ...thinks harder.
> >> >
> >> > > > > > > K
> >> >
> >> > > > > > There are plenty of "Limbo" fans out there, you know. A lot
> >> > > > > > of them voted for Clinton in open primaries. He is probably
> >> > > > > > the most significant reason why Hillary is sort of still in
> >> > > > > > the running ;-)
> >> >
> >> > > > > Limbo, in this context is the state between heaven and hell
> >> > > > > where unbaptized children end up, reputedly for eternity.
> >> > > > > According to the Papal (papist?) doctrine, anyway.
> >> >
> >> > > > No, you are wrong. And the pope is wrong too. Limbo is this
south
> >> > > > of the border dance. Who manages to dance it under the lowest
> >> > > > horizontal bar gets the pretty girl from the dancing troupe.
> >> >
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> >> > > ****, I used to do that for chocolate bars for my kids. At San
Jose
> >> > > Family Camp.
> >> >
> >> > >http://tinyurl.com/6yelg6
> >> >
> >> > Looks like a fun place. I like the fact that it's not affiliated
with
> >> > some church....
> >> >
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> >> And if it were, then it would not be a fun place?
> >
> > Exactly. Not a fun place anymore. Not for me. This is in fact, a fine
> > example of government, local in this case, actually doing good things.
> > And evidently doing them well.
> >
> > Between the ages of 11 to 15 (I think, maybe earlier) I went to camp
> > every year. The first one sucked and gave change! It was organized by
my
> > father's company and it had the communist stamp all over it. I was
sent
> > there not because of ideology but my parents wanted to get rid of me
for
> > 3 weeks in the summer. The tents were not real tents, more like little
> > cabins and there was a real building with "jidelna" there. What kind
of
> > a camp was that? It was somewhere close to the German border (near
> > Frydlant?, maybe) and we frequently saw the actual border with the
> > barbed wire and the observation towers on our outings. In fact we were
> > given a demonstration by the border patrol how they catch those
crossing
> > the border (They never said from WHICH side they were crossing). It
was
> > quite a show with Alsatian dogs and automatic weapons. But I hated the
> > camp.
> > The following year, my parents convinced me to go to another, this
time
> > independent camp organized by someone who used to be associated with
> > Sokol. Sokol did not exist then, but somehow this guy pulled it
together
> > every year and had a 4 week long camp for kids. This time it was the
> > real deal. We arrived by buses and trucks on a green grass site and
had
> > to build our own tents, dig latrines and set up a kitchen in a large
> > army tent. We had nobody to look after us, just a few camp counsellors
> > who were barely older the us. It was a co-ed camp.
> >
> > We played rugby a lot, even boxing in a make****ft ring, lot of water
> > s****ts and games. Raising the flag ceremony every morning and lowering
> > it in the evening. Every dau someone went to nearby town to pick up
> > milk, bread and mail. Two of us were always assigned to potato peeling
> > detail and helping in the kitchen.
> >
> > There was no religion and no ideology of any kind. Just fun. The
> > highlight was a treasure hunt during the final week. It lasted two
days
> > and our groups had to spend the night somewhere in the open. The
> > treasure was a huge cake usually hidden in some cave that was filled
> > with tear gas! We had to retrieve it and claim the prize.
> >
> > Other then a few scrapes, I don't remember anyone getting hurt.
> >
> >
> > K
>
> Nice story, however I believe that Frydland is located north from
> Liberec, close to the border with the friendly socialist DDR and Poland.
> jh.
Well, I think that's where it was. Even though the East Germans were
friendly, the border was still guarded at that time...around 1960. Beats
me why. I just remember there were two fences with a strip of combed
sand in between and additional strips where there was no vegetation on
either side of the fences. The towers were within eyesight of each
other. It's possible I am confusing it with somewhere else, but I don't
think so.
K
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