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> On Apr 8, 9:52 am, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 7, 2:25 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On Apr 7, 12:30 pm, Karel Kriz <ka...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > kujebak <kuje...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > Is this a good time for someone to pry the rifle from his
cold, dead
> > > > > > hands?
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> > > > > > ...a mediocre actor and a poseur. No greatness there...
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> > > > > > K
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> > > > > Did you know he was married for over 60 years?
> > > > > To the same woman I might add.
> > > > > That's quite remarkable in this day and age,
> > > > > wouldn't you say? Especially for an actor, and
> > > > > a ... whatever ;-)
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> > > > Marriage longevity is just one brownie point! Deduct two brownie
points
> > > > for being the front man for the NRA, deduct two brownie points for
The
> > > > Planet of The Apes, deduct two brownie points for
Earthquake....and on
> > > > and on. The final count is in the negative, I am afraid.
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> > > You got something against guns in the hands of decent,
> > > upstanding citizens Heston epitomized?
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> > I don't particularly care for guns regardless who has them. Firing a
> > semi automatic rifle at defenseless cans of Coors in the desert is not
> > an orgasmic experience for me.
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> > Misreading and misinterpreting the Second Amendment hardly qualifies
as
> > "decent and upstanding". But I understand why NRA feels that everyone
> > should be armed to the teeth. It all works so well. We have one of the
> > lowest murder rates in the world and our prisons are half empty most
of
> > the time with the guards twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.
That
> > makes us the envy of the world. The logic of "more guns - less crime"
is
> > a clear winner.
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> The numbers of incarcerated people in US jails seem to have more to do
> with the ridiculous "war on drugs" than with anything else.
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> The link between easy availability of guns and violence is by no means
> clear, either.
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> I am personally no fan of guns, but at the same time I would
> acknowledge that there exist countries with higher per-person gun
> owner****p and significantly lower murder rates than the US
> (Switzerland, for example), while on the other hand there are also
> countries with strict gun controls in place and yet suffering from
> relatively high rates of gun-related violence. According to this
> source, Canada is a case in point:
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> http://tinyurl.com/4tu9ss
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> The article may perhaps not be entirely correct, but there are plenty
> of sources that paint a similar story. As they say - where there is
> smoke, there is fire.
>
> To therefore somehow conclude that defending the right to bear weapons
> is wrong - i.e. the opposite of "decent and upstanding" is plain
> silly.
Whoever wrote this article is smoking some crack...it's hard to find an
item that is anywhere close to truth. Who are these people and why are
they compelled to lie?
Here is an extract from Wikipedia - at least they quote their sources
"The most recent data show that the pro****tion of Americans killed by
firearms is more than three and a half times greater than the next
country of comparable development (****tugal.)[37] The pro****tion of
Americans killed by firearms per year is more than seven and a half
times greater than the comparable pro****tion of residents in the 10
developed countries with the next highest rates of firearm homicides.["
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#International_com
parison
To say that Canada is twice as violent as the US is plainly absurd...
Switzerland's case is a bit different also. They have a gun control in
place. And they know who has what gun...we have no clue.
Paradoxically, the second amendment is closer in spirit to what
Switzerland practices - I refer to the "well organized militia" part. It
certainly does not mean that every Tom, Dick and Harry should be able to
arm himself to the teeth on the off chance that some other Tom, Dick and
Harry decides to attack him.
No, the fact that Charlton Heston blindly defended this imaginary right
does not endear him to me. Conservatives have some odd heroes. Playing
at a tough guy in front of other wanabee tough guys is not enough to
wor****p him. How about some real accomplishments?
K
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