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Re: georgia conflict from a russian military perspective

by Vladimir Makarenko <vmakard@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 19, 2008 at 03:38 PM

Pēteris Cedriņš (Peteris Cedrins) wrote:
....cleared
> 
> Though I think it's too early to judge the results, there is an
> excellent possibility that Russia lost in almost everything.

Petya playing neocon's game counting lost and won pawns in geochess.

If and when Petya grow up he will learn that the pawns are in reality 
killed humans, whether they won or lost.

This war was a curse and loss for everybody, however there are those who 
are responsible for inciting the psychopath Saaka****vili to go violent, 
giving this coward impression of impunity for his actions.
They later flew to Tbilisi to monkey circus of "solidarity" with the 
scared buffoon who caused death of thousands of people.

So who won? Murderous ideologues who now counting like casino chips dead 
bodies and making plans how capitalize on them.

Disgusting.

VM.



> An
> excerpt from Nosemonkey's Eutopia --
> 
>
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> 
> But one thing is clear - if Europe’s strategy remains unclear,
> Russia’s seems to have failed. If the aim of the Georgia expedition
> was, as many have assumed, to reintroduce Moscow’s will to the Western
> periphery of the Russian Federation, then finally pu****ng Poland into
> the arms of the Americans was certainly not the desired result.
> Especially when Ukraine - that other nascent nation with a history of
> troubles and a sizeable Russian population on the Eurasian border that
> some have pointed to as “Russia’s next target” swiftly follows
suit.
> 
> But still, I’m not sure I buy this whole “extending influence”
thing.
> Not only does Russia seem to have hardened the anti-Moscow attitudes
> of the old Warsaw Pact EU member states (including among the people,
> many of whom have, in ex-Soviet countries, had a tendency for rosy
> nostalgia for the days of communism), but also pushed Ukraine further
> westwards, and potentially gained Georgia the NATO seat she wanted
> even though Tbilisi’s recent actions show that the country’s really
> not ready yet.
> 
> But that’s not all. Russia’s also singularly failed to maintain
> control over Chechnya despite years of fighting, and has even found
> the conflict spreading into neighbouring parts of the Caucasus - as
> well as to the Russian capital itself. In Georgia, rather than a
> disciplined and efficient military manoeuvre, we’ve seen poor
> targeting, poor discipline, and a seeming lack of ability to decide
> what the hell to do - having pushed in to Georgian territory and taken
> Gori, the Russians seem largely to have been milling around trying to
> look macho for the last week or two, while seemingly ignoring
> presidential orders. This is, it seems, what you get from a conscript
> army.
> 
> So, when we come to look back on this in a few months’ time, what will
> Moscow have achieved? Well, she may be able to gain a bit more
> influence in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but those two regions hold
> little of any strategic value (bar Abkhazia’s apparently rather
> beautiful stretches of Black Sea coastline). Georgia will continue to
> be the non-Russian route of choice for Central Asian oil and gas to
> Europe - only now, undoubtedly, with a far stronger western military
> presence to guard the infrastructure. Georgia’s chances of NATO
> member****p will have been greatly increased, as will those of Ukraine.
> The significance of energy dependence on Russia will also have become
> far more apparent to a far wider group of people (the reason we need
> to develop alternate energy sources is not global warming, folks, it’s
> Gazprom…) The threat of Russian instability - long largely ignored by
> many in the West, desperately hoping that Putin was one of us despite
> his authoritarian ways - will have become clear. But it should also
> have become clear that Russia’s army really isn’t much of a threat.
A
> few ill-trained teenagers with battered equipment can cause some short-
> term chaos, certainly - they can maim and kill and loot and burn as
> well as anyone. But even sup****ted with tanks, I’m not convinced of
> the threat of the Russian army any more - or of the minds coming up
> with Russian strategy. It’s still early days, but as NATO plans its
> longer-term response this whole escapade is beginning to look like
> it’s backfired on Moscow.
> 
> http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/?p=1829
> 
>
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> 
> Regards,
> /P
> 
> http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
 




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Re: georgia conflict from a russian military perspective
Vladimir Makarenko <vm  2008-08-19 15:38:52 
Re: georgia conflict from a russian military perspective
"captain." <  2008-08-23 22:40:18 

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