Re: The UK march agaimst Bush

professor vonroach <vonroach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On 15 Nov 2003 17:01:23 -0800, kmcelhin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (FreeIreland)
> wrote:
> 
> >Ireland sides with terrorists. Ireland never gassed the Kurds, sold
> >arms to Afghan warlords, sup****ted and supplied Saddam, sup****ted,
> >armed and even had agents in loyalist death squads. Ireland isn't
> >leaving hundreds of tonnes of radioactive material all over Iraq
> >causing cancers and birth defects through contamination for the long
> >term future. Ireland doesn't invade countries bombing cities full of
> >innocent men women and children so it can steal that countries
> >resources.
> >
> We don't know any of that as a fact. 

What part is a fact?

"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised
tribes to spread a lively terror"

Winston Churchill on gassing the Kurds in the 1920s 

Writing in 1921, RAF Wing Commander J A Chamier suggested that the
best way to demoralise local people was to concentrate bombing on the
"most inaccessible village of the most prominent tribe which it is
desired to punish. All available aircraft must be collected the attack
with bombs and machine guns must be relentless and unremitting and
carried on continuously by day and night, on houses, inhabitants,
crops and cattle."

We do know they practiced
> genocide against irish protestants in North Ireland. Or perhaps you
> prefer `ethnic cleansing'.

Where did this ethnic cleansing take place?


> 
> >Funny when the great British Empire was over running many countries
> >world wide murdering, ethnic cleansing, pilliaging and stealing the
> >English where not complaining. The Nazis didn't do anything that the
> >great British empire didn't do.
> 
> Then you agree with the Nazi's activities. Did you get a chance to
> visit bombed out cities like Berlin and Hamburg with only a few
> structures left standing and german dead stacked like cord wood in the
> streets when the caskets ran out?  Did you get a chance to visit the
> freed concentration camps and watch the germans forced to carry the
> bodies of the dead to mass graves?  Did you ever see the actual
> footage of the Nazi advance into the USSR and the wanton slaughter
> they carried out? Did you get a chance to see or talk with a survivor
> of their long retreat from the USSR in winter leaving hundreds of
> thousands of frozen dead germans and german prisoners (few of whom
> were ever see again)? Did you get a chance to see a bombed out London?
> Did you ever get the chance to see dead germans littering north
> Africa, It lay, France, Eastern Europe as the Allies closed in on a
> shaken distracted trembling Hitler hiding in an underground cave in
> Berlin? Where exactly in the British Empire did you see anything on
> this scale?

I never said I agreed or disgree with the Nazis, how dare you claim
what I agree or disagree with. The Nazis plundered, tortured and
murdered there way across Europe just as the Great British Empire did
in Ireland, the Americas, India, Australia and the Middle east.

In 1941 Charles ****tal of the British Air Staff advocated that entire
cities and towns should be bombed. ****tal claimed that this would
quickly bring about the collapse of civilian morale in Germany. Air
Marshall Arthur Harris agreed and when he became head of RAF Bomber
Command in February 1942, he introduced a policy of area bombing
(known in Germany as terror bombing) where entire cities and towns
were targeted.

In 1945, Arthur Harris decided to create a firestorm in the medieval
city of Dresden. He considered it a good target as it had not been
attacked during the war and was virtually undefended by anti-aircraft
guns. The population of the city was now far greater than the normal
650,000 due to the large numbers of refugees fleeing from the
advancing Red Army.

On the 13th February 1945, 773 Avro Lancasters bombed Dresden. During
the next two days the USAAF sent over 527 heavy bombers to follow up
the RAF attack. Dresden was nearly totally destroyed. As a result of
the firestorm it was afterwards impossible to count the number of
victims. Recent research suggest that 35,000 were killed but some
German sources have argued that it was over 100,000.


> >
> >For your information thousands of young Irish men joined foreign
> >armies to fight in WW2 and WW1. My granfather was one of them, he
> >fought in the British army in WW1. The republic even remained neutral
> >after Unification was offered to join the war. Though the Cab papers
> >clearly outlined 14 points which the Irish covertly agreed with the
> >British to aid in the war effort.
> 
> To state truth - Ireland was neutral during WW2, and tended to
> sympathize with the germans in their hatred of the british.

No doubt the Irish did not like the British and thats probably why
they offically remained neutral. Though the Cab papers now released
showed that Ireland covertly agreed with Britian how they could aid
the allied war effort. This of course was a violation of the 1920
Hague convention and the role of neutral nations. This included the
encouragment of young men to join foreign allied forces and access to
Irish intelligence.

> 
> >The fact is the only difference between terrorists and freedom
> >fighters in Britian and the US is if they are for or against the US
> >and Britians greedy strategic geopolitical interests. 
> 
> Then you idolize the anarchist and terrorists who seek to impose their
> will on free peoples. I wonder what the `greedy geopolitical interest'
> of Ireland in Northern Ireland is?

Northern Ireland is not even a state that someday will be united with
the rest of Ireland.